Does Microwave Energy Transfer Depend on Contents Inside?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether microwave energy transfer is consistent regardless of the contents inside the microwave. Participants explore scenarios involving heating milk in different quantities and the efficiency of heating multiple mugs simultaneously. The scope includes theoretical considerations, experimental suggestions, and conceptual clarifications related to microwave heating processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the heat transferred to the contents is largely constant across different amounts of milk heated for the same duration and power setting.
  • Another participant hypothesizes that heating a half-full mug and then topping it up will result in a colder temperature compared to heating a full mug directly.
  • Some participants suggest that the efficiency of heating two mugs simultaneously versus one after the other may differ, with one proposing that two mugs will take approximately twice as long to heat.
  • A technical explanation is provided regarding the relationship between load resistance and power transfer in microwave ovens, with a focus on the implications of mismatched loads.
  • Participants discuss the importance of stirring to achieve uniform temperature and suggest that experiments could clarify the heating efficiency and temperature outcomes.
  • There are mentions of the potential for improved microwave designs, such as incorporating magnetic stirrers, to enhance heating efficiency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the efficiency of heating methods and the impact of load on microwave energy transfer. There is no consensus on whether the heat transferred is consistent across different scenarios, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal heating approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the efficiency of microwave heating can vary based on factors such as load impedance and the specific characteristics of the microwave oven. There are also references to the need for careful measurement and experimentation to draw reliable conclusions.

  • #31
Sometimes a jar of peanut butter, kept in the refrigerator, will be too hard to spread. The 'cure' of course is to heat it - in the microwave.

This often works well -- unless the is a scrap of that heat-bonded foil seal left on the edge of the jar. The jar rim is about 2mm (0.08in.) thick.

If it is just a speck of foil, it generates a minor plasma explosion and all is well.

Around 12mm (0.5in) long, there is a continuous plasma discharge as the edge of the plastic jar decomposes (Polyethylene Terephthalate), leaving behind the Carbon, which of course is conductive. Conductive enough to sustain continued burning of the plastic!

The audible indications are an initial 'Pop' followed by a loud 'Hum' as the power transformer in the oven is overloaded by the short circuit in the plasma cloud.

I have never let the process go to completion as I don't want to replace the oven, it also takes some effort to remove even 1 seconds worth of the burned plastic stench from the oven interior.

Now I usually remember to check for left-behind foil before inserting in microwave!

Cheers,
Tom

p.s. IIRC, the heating effect for non-conductive materials is proportional to their di-electric constant. Water, falling around 78-80, is usually what heats the most.
 
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  • #32
^^^ Yep. That's one of the reasons I stopped buying TJs peanut butter and started filling up an empty jar at the bulk bin of the local co-op. It was frustratingly difficult sometimes to remove that plasma inducing metallic residue from the rim. I used to scrape it half-effectively with a butter knife and then end up with tiny bits of foil in the peanut butter.

The other reason is that the bulk peanut butter from the co-op tastes a *lot* better than the stuff TJs sells.
 
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JT Smith said:
the bulk peanut butter from the co-op tastes a *lot* better than the stuff TJs sells.
Thats thanks to the ... anonymous supplements .... dust, grime, bugs, hand juice ... :oldruck:
 
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Why would Trader Joes peanut butter have all that stuff in it? :-)

Seriously, the bulk stuff is clearly a higher quality product. It doesn't even have salt in it which I was certain I had to have in my peanut butter in order to like it. I was quite surprised when I learned after buying and eating it that didn't have any. I guess I don't need salt in my peanut butter after all -- at least if it's good peanut butter.

I could go around the corner to shelves in the store and buy the exact same product from the same producer already in a jar for only slightly more money. I know I'm not saving the world by reusing a jar. I just like making a big sticky mess in the store.
 

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