Does Observation Affect Quantum Particle Behavior?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "observation" in quantum mechanics and its implications for particle behavior. Participants explore various interpretations of quantum observation, its definitions, and the philosophical questions it raises, including the role of consciousness and measurement in quantum theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the meaning of "observation" in quantum mechanics, wondering if it refers to physical light interacting with particles or the act of a conscious being observing.
  • One participant outlines several interpretations of quantum observation, including Copenhagen, common-sense realism, consciousness-based interpretations, subjectivistic approaches, and Many Worlds, noting that these interpretations lead to similar practical results but differ philosophically.
  • A later reply corrects an earlier claim, suggesting that not all interpretations lead to the same practical results, especially when analyzing experiments like the double-slit experiment.
  • Another participant suggests that particles behave like waves when propagating and like particles when interacting, proposing this phrasing to avoid metaphysical dilemmas.
  • One contribution discusses the relationship between observation and consciousness, positing that observation involves the inspection of information accumulated by different states of consciousness, raising questions about the nature of consciousness itself.
  • Another participant clarifies that in quantum physics, "observation" refers to any interaction that behaves according to quantum mechanics, implying that it is not limited to human observation.
  • It is noted that observation disturbs quantum phenomena, leading to quantization and confinement in space, regardless of whether a living being is observing or not.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of observation in quantum mechanics, with no consensus reached on its definition or implications. Multiple competing interpretations and philosophical questions remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of defining "observation" in quantum mechanics, noting that interpretations may depend on philosophical perspectives and that the implications of measurement and consciousness are still debated.

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What does "oberserve" mean

This is probably a really dumb question but here it goes:

Okay really its just what the title says, when quantum mechanics describes that particles behave like waves when not observed and particles when observed, does it mean when light is on them, or literally when a living being is watching?
 
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You are asking one of those open, everlasting questions about QM interpretation, being more metaphysical (thus open...) than physical.

Copenhagen: (uncle Bohr spanks you with his hairy, hairy paw) you behave like Elephant's child! Shut up, and calculate!
Common-sense realism: observation - something irreversible happens (e.g. a grain of AgBr in photo film is hit by a photon)
Consciousness based interpretation: observation takes place when some conscious creature sees experiment results
Subjectivistsic and solipsistic approaches: when I (ond only I, not you, nor your cat) see the result
Many Worlds: observation? there is nothing like observation! wavefunction never collapses!

Choice between those is a matter of metaphysical taste. All of them lead to the same practical results.

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That's not true that all lead to the same practical results. Only common-sense realism, or even further simplifications are feasible. If you analyse e.g. double slit experiment, you stop analysis at the moment when your particle hits the screen (film, detector, etc.) No one ever tried to compute mixed wavefunction of the excited and not-excited detector (nor of dead and alive cat) and follow quantum computations up to a human observer. We just believe that it would lead to the same final result.
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There are many (usually pointless...) threads here about interpretation issues.
 
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Quantum observation (or measurement) happens when quantum system interacts with macroscopic system, potentially causing macroscopically noticeable effects. Macroscopic system is assumed to be composed of huge number of interacting microscopic systems (atoms/molecules/...), but due to sheer complexity and lack of information about initial state of each atom, it cannot be described quantum-mechanically but only classicaly.
 


idknothing said:
particles behave like waves when not observed and particles when observed
If you say the same in a bit different words:
``particles behave like waves when propagating and like particles when interacting with others''
you'll be more precise and then you may avoid metaphysical dillemas.
 


Observation is the inspection of information that is accumulated by different states of consciousness, which differentiates on who the observer is for obvious enough reasons. To me this is still edgy considering consciousness appears to have no definite location, and to have an insubstantial quality.

applying observation in Quantium Theory (Quantum Consciousness) is more of a philosophy on why it effects the particle processes since these are reasonably still unkown things like is the brain receiving it or creating it and if it does receive it does consciousness have a physical state of its own in which it projects on to particles when they are being observed?

and since this is a physics forum I'll just sum this up nicely with this last statement.

For now the only physical accounts for observation are the mesurments in what your observing and the state of your neurological function.
 


idknothing said:
This is probably a really dumb question but here it goes:

Okay really its just what the title says, when quantum mechanics describes that particles behave like waves when not observed and particles when observed, does it mean when light is on them, or literally when a living being is watching?

As used in quantum physics, "observation" means "anything that behaves the way quantum mechanics says observations behave", nothing more, nothing less.

Of course, the choice of word was meant to be suggestive, that a quantum mechanical observation occurs somehow in the process of a human physically looking an empirical result. (although it could happen at other times too)
 


... does it mean when light is on them, or literally when a living being is watching?

It means that when a quantum wave is disturbed, and observation ALWAYS disturbs a quantum phenomena in some way, the observed wave becomes quantized...becomes confined in space.

In your example, it makes no difference if a "live being" is observing the reflected light or not; the light, electromagnetic radiation, impinging on a quantum particle, say an electron, will disturb it by imparting some energy to the particle. That's why we cannot observe round electron orbits, used in the simplest introductory models, about a nucleus. Any measurement attempt disturbs the electron cloud (wave). The shorter the wavelength of light, for better resolution, the more energy is transferred to the particle under observation and the more it becomes disturbed (energized) by ANY apparatus.
 

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