Does physics support the notion of eternity?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of eternity and whether physics supports the idea of infinite time. Participants explore philosophical implications, mathematical interpretations, and the nature of time within the framework of physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the spacetime continuum may exist eternally, even if recognizable objects do not, suggesting a form of existence beyond meaningful entities.
  • Others argue that while physics may not definitively support the notion of eternity, it does not entirely dismiss the idea, particularly regarding the unknown nature of the universe's timelike component.
  • A participant mentions that the concept of infinity in mathematics is often viewed skeptically by physicists, who may see infinite quantities as problematic or unrealistic.
  • There is a suggestion that assigning infinity to time could theoretically support the notion of eternity, though this remains speculative.
  • Some participants express frustration with the philosophical nature of the discussion, emphasizing a preference for more concrete scientific inquiries.
  • A later reply challenges the idea that physicists universally reject infinity, citing acceptance of mathematical concepts like integrals that involve infinite processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on the relationship between physics and the concept of eternity. Disagreements arise over the interpretation of infinity and its acceptance within the physics community.

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The discussion highlights varying interpretations of time and infinity, with some participants relying on philosophical reasoning while others seek a more scientific approach. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of time and the universe's structure.

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Individuals interested in the philosophical implications of physics, the nature of time, and the intersection of mathematics and physical theories may find this discussion relevant.

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Or time being infinite?
 
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I would assume that physics does support the notion of eternity seems as space-time is a continuum and will last for an infinite amount of time. :)
 
zeromodz said:
Or time being infinite?

Most physicists would probably say your question is too philosophical to merit a serious scientific response (the proverbial "what exactly do you mean?" right). However, even after all the chemical and physical reactions have taken place and there is nothing left in this universe but radiation, I'm tempted to agree with the above response that the spacetime continuum will still be here. There just won't be any meaningful objects within it. So in that sense, yes the universe could exist eternally -- just not in any recognizable fashion.

Edit: The only problem with the above reasoning would be if the laws of physics in this universe somehow changed drastically. To understand if that can happen, or how it can happen, we need to more about the nature of reality. Hopefully the LHC will give us some knowledge towards that front and help us establish, at long last, a sound TOE.
 
I don't know about the past, but since we exist here and now, then no matter how far into the future something goes, it will all ways be a finite amount of time between then and now.
 
matisamd said:
As far as my understanding goes eternity is analogious to infinity and mathmaticians use infinity, physicists hate mathmaticians that use infinity becaue, as the french don't beieve custard exists physacists don't believe in infinities.
No, its the other way around. Some mathematicians got crazy while trying to understand infinites. For physicists infinite time / force / energy just means: "Ain't going to happen. Problem solved" :smile:
 
Hmmmmmmmm...

I suppose that physics sort of supports such a notion given the fact that it is unknown at present whether or not the universe has always had a timelike component.

Here's another way of looking at it: math 'supports the notion' of infinity, and time is a quantity that can be assigned a number for an amount, so if a period of time were assigned infinity for its duration you would have eternity.
 
Galap said:
Hmmmmmmmm...
... it is unknown at present whether or not the universe has always had a timelike component.

Since the notion of "always" is only applicable provided that there is a timelike component,
it is true that "the universe has always had a timelike component".
 
As far as my understanding goes eternity is analogious to infinity and mathmaticians use infinity, physicists hate mathmaticians that use infinity becaue, as the french don't beieve custard exists physacists don't believe in infinities.

thats how i understand that anyway :) but i learned all i know from startrek reruns and topgear :D
what on Earth are you guys talking about. Most physicists I know accept infinity pretty well.
You don't believe in the reality of Integrals?
We can perfectly calculate Riemann sums with integrals! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_sum
and this is infinite little bars!

Someone should delete these stupid posts.
The internet needs government moderation.
 
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zeromodz said:
Or time being infinite?
time is finite when it comes to how long your brain will function! so quit the philosophical banter and study!
Build a particle accelerator!
 
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tot said:
what on Earth are you guys talking about. Most physicists I know accept infinity pretty well.
You don't believe in the reality of Integrals?
We can perfectly calculate Riemann sums with integrals! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_sum
and this is infinite little bars!

Someone should delete these stupid posts.
The internet needs government moderation.

Relax, tiger. The person who started the thread inquired about "the notion of eternity" and "infinite time." This is a physics forum, not a Catholic seminary.
 

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