Does QM violate the causality principle?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether Quantum Mechanics (QM) violates the causality principle. Participants explore various aspects of causality in relation to QM, including the implications of virtual particles, instantaneous events, and the interpretation of wave-function collapse.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the definition of the "causality principle" and notes that QM is a stochastic theory, suggesting that while the wavefunction may appear causal, actual measurements are not deterministic.
  • Another participant asserts that QM does not violate causality, referencing special relativity's principle that causes must precede effects, and argues that complications arise in interpretations of QM, particularly with the EPR paradox.
  • A different viewpoint introduces Hegerfeldt’s theorem, which posits that wave-function collapse could lead to violations of causality due to instantaneous wave-function spread, highlighting that the occurrence of wave-function collapse is interpretative and not universally accepted.
  • One participant emphasizes that discussions about causality in QM are highly dependent on interpretation, suggesting that the formalism of QM does not inherently claim violations of causality.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between QM and causality, with no consensus reached. Some argue that causality is preserved in QM, while others suggest that interpretations of wave-function collapse could lead to violations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion is influenced by the interpretations of QM and the definitions of causality, which may vary. The implications of wave-function collapse and the nature of measurements in QM remain unresolved.

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Hello,

As written, I am wondering if the causality principle gets violated in QM. Do virtual particles violate the causality principles? Do instantaneous events violate the causality principle?

Thank you in advance.
 
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I have never heard of the "causality principle", you need to define what you are referring to.

However, Quantum Mechanics is a stochastic theory, not a causal one. The wavefunction of a particle can be thought of as being causal, or deterministic, but the actual measurment of the state of a particle is not.
 
There is a principle in special relativity that states that cause must precede effect for all inertial observers. This is also implicit in classical mechanics, but we simply call it causality.

QM doesn't violate causality, but it does cause complications for trying to find a simple intepretation of quantum mechanics. The EPR paradox challenges the notion of causality, for example, but since no meaningful information can be transmitted via the measurement of entangled particles, causality is preserved.
 
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It's been shown that if there is wave-function collapse, and if that collapse localises wave-functions, then this would violate causality as it would generate instantaneous infinite wave-function spread. This is Hegerfeldt’s theorem.
http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0111060v2.pdf
Whether wave-function collapse occurs is a matter of "interpretation", or more precisely, a matter of how we ought to physically describe measurement processes themselves, and no one really knows how to do this.
 
In general all this stuff like causality being violated etc etc is very interpretation dependent.

QM as far as the formalism goes doesn't really say things like that.

If you really want to understand its conceptual core check out:
http://www.scottaaronson.com/democritus/lec9.html

Thanks
Bill
 

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