Does Running Affect the Speed of a Ship During Travel?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of passengers running on a ship's speed during travel. Participants explore the dynamics of motion and drag in the context of a moving vessel.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants consider analogies such as rockets and sleds to understand the implications of running on a ship's speed. Questions arise about whether the ship accelerates or decelerates based on the passengers' movements and the effects of drag.

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The discussion is active with various perspectives on how running affects the ship's speed and travel time. Some participants suggest that the speed may increase temporarily, while others argue that increased drag could counteract this effect, leading to a return to original speed. There is no explicit consensus, but multiple interpretations are being explored.

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Participants are considering assumptions about constant power delivery and the impact of drag on speed. There are also questions about the overall travel time in relation to the passengers' movements.

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While they are running the speed of the ship should remain the same?
How come the answers claim it is higher?
 
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Think of it like a rocket. The rocket moves forward because it expels rocket fuel. So the passengers are like the rocket fuel as they run to the stern. Once they stop running then the ship speed will slow down to its prior speed. If the ran back to the front then then ship would slow even more and then when they stop would resume its original speed.
 
So when they go to the back they are as if they are leaving the ship so the ship accelerates at a higher speed?
 
omarMihilmy said:
So when they go to the back they are as if they are leaving the ship so the ship accelerates at a higher speed?

Yes and then when they stop it returns back to the original speed.

Another analogy would be to be on a long stationary sled on ice. You decide to run to one end and the sled moves in the other direction and then you fall off and the sled slides away.
 
jedishrfu said:
Yes and then when they stop it returns back to the original speed.
I would have answered that when they stop the ship's speed will be less than when they started. That comes from assuming the ship delivers constant power, and that faster means more drag. When they started running the speed increased a little, but while they run the increased drag will bring the speed back somewhat to what it was before.
Another question that could have been asked is whether the ship's travel time will be more, less, etc.
 
haruspex said:
I would have answered that when they stop the ship's speed will be less than when they started. That comes from assuming the ship delivers constant power, and that faster means more drag. When they started running the speed increased a little, but while they run the increased drag will bring the speed back somewhat to what it was before.

Good point, I was thinking of an ideal system...
 
haruspex said:
Another question that could have been asked is whether the ship's travel time will be more, less, etc.
The travel time while they are running to the back is less, but while they are running back. It should be greater or the same?
 
omarMihilmy said:
The travel time while they are running to the back is less, but while they are running back. It should be greater or the same?
It depends. If the ship does not lose much of the extra speed while they're running then it could shorten the overall journey. But if it does lose much and the ship still has some way to go after they reach the back, the ship's overall travel time will have been increased.
 

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