Does Space Recover or Oscillate After Being Distorted by Massive Objects?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of space in response to the presence of massive objects, specifically whether space reverts to its original state or oscillates after being distorted. It touches on concepts from general relativity, the nature of spacetime, and implications for gravitational waves observed in phenomena like black hole mergers.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether space gradually reverts to its previous state or oscillates back and forth after being distorted by a massive object, suggesting that high tension in space could affect Hubble's constant.
  • Another participant asserts that there is no "fabric" of spacetime, emphasizing that spacetime is geometry and not a tangible entity.
  • A different participant argues against the initial premise, stating that gravity is the geometry of spacetime and highlighting the importance of the time component in this context.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the metaphor of "fabric," with a participant explaining that relativity models spacetime as a four-dimensional structure and that the geometry of space changes over time through successive three-dimensional slices.
  • Concerns are raised about the representation of gravitational waves, with a participant suggesting that animations may not accurately depict space but rather show parameters related to curvature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the nature of spacetime and the validity of the "fabric" metaphor. There is no consensus on how space behaves after being distorted by massive objects, and multiple competing views remain present in the discussion.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of spacetime and the implications of gravitational wave observations, which remain unresolved. The mathematical treatment of spacetime and its geometry is also a point of contention.

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When a massive object travels through space distorting its geometry, does the space gradually revert to its previous state, or does it oscillate back and forth eventually settling into its state as it was before it was distorted by the massive object ?
If the fabric of of space has a high tension value, then this would be a lot of energy added to space and might affect Hubbles constant ?
When watching the LIGO recording of two black holes merging, could the end of the gravitational wave recorded be from the fabric of space reverberating.
 
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There is no "fabric" of spacetime. Spacetime is geometry. It's where things happen, not a thing itself.
 
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Neither. It is simply not how things work. Furthermore, gravity is the geometry of spacetime, not space. The time part is extremely important.
 
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Unfortunately, "fabric" is a metaphor, and quite a poor one.

Relativity models spacetime, not space. Spacetime is a 4d structure, and to get what we call "space" from it you have to (mathematically) slice it into a stack of 3d sheets, analogous to slicing a block of cheese into a stack of 2d slices. Each slice is "space at one instant", and the notion of the geometry of space changing with time comes from looking at each successive slice, not from any single thing changing. Furthermore, as Orodruin notes, quite a lot of the important curvature lies in planes orthogonal to any such slicing and is lost in this visualisation.

The animations of gravitational waves that I've found on a quick search describe themselves as showing "the strength of curvature", so I doubt they're even direct representations of any choice of space. They're likely plots of some summary parameter like the Kretchmann scalar.
 
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