Does temperature affect the sinking rate of objects at different latitudes?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around whether temperature affects the sinking rate of objects, specifically bowling balls, in water at different latitudes, such as the equator and the North Pole. Participants explore the implications of water temperature and state of matter (liquid vs. solid) on the sinking behavior of the balls.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions which bowling ball would hit the bottom of the bucket first when dropped in water at different temperatures.
  • Another participant humorously suggests that the first ball would take 3-6 months to reach the bottom.
  • Some participants argue that if the second bucket is not filled with water, the second ball cannot sink, as it would be in a bucket at 30°F without water.
  • A participant mentions that for the water to be consistently at 30°F throughout the bucket, it would need to be frozen solid, implying that the first ball would sink in the liquid water at the equator.
  • Another participant states that neither ball would touch the bottom at the North Pole due to the ice, while the first ball would win at the equator due to the higher initial temperature of the water.
  • One participant adds a stipulation regarding the weight of the bowling balls, noting that heavier balls may sink differently and expressing skepticism about the time it would take for the balls to reach the bottom.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which the balls would sink, with no consensus reached on the outcomes. There is contention regarding the effects of temperature and the state of water on the sinking behavior of the balls.

Contextual Notes

Assumptions about the state of water (liquid vs. solid), the depth of the buckets, and the weight of the bowling balls are not fully resolved, leading to varying interpretations of the scenario.

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If I were at the equator and dropped a bowling ball in a bucket of water which is 45 degrees F, and dropped another ball of the same weight, mass, and size in a bucket of water at 30 degrees F, dropping them at the same time, which ball would hit the bottom of the bucket first? Same question, but the location is the north pole.
 
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Oooh tricky.[The first one would beat the second one by 3-6 months]
 
If the water were to provide even little resistance to motion, the second ball would reach the bottom of the bucket, since there is no water in the second bucket.[it's just a "bucket at 30 F", not a bucket of water.] It's the same case at the pole, too. And I have a feeling that I haven't understood the question really well. X-([/color]
 
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At 32 F water is frozen[/color]

I think this question is unfair to all us metric people out here... can't you use SI units? :)
 
neutrino said:
it's just a "bucket at 30 F", not a bucket of water.
Thanks for pointing that out, I edited the OP.
 
jimmysnyder said:
Thanks for pointing that out, I edited the OP.

Oh well, back to the drawing board.
 
I'd have to say the first one in both instances. The only way to be 30 degrees throughout the entire bucket is for the water to be frozen solid.

I'm not sure a bucket is deep enough to give a good spread of temperatures, but if the top of a pond or lake is frozen, it's guaranteed that the bottom of the pond is 37 degrees - the temperature where water is most dense.[/color]
 
Since a bowling ball floats in water ( search google video if you don't believe me ), and the frozen ice in the other bucket will not permit the ball to touch the bottom, I will say that NEITHER touches the bottom. This is for the case at the NORTH POLE The water will of course eventually freeze around the ball due to being at the north pole! But it should not touch the bottom.

For the case at the equator, ball number 1 will win because the water in bucket 1 is already in liquid form and has a higher initial temp and thus will evaporate sooner than the water in bucket 2

Both cases assume the ball was dropped from a fairly conservative height and that the balls weigh less than 11lb.(I read bowling balls over that weight sink). Many other things are assumed like your buckets are big enough to allow the ball to touch the bottom as well. :-p
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dontdisturbmycircles said:
I read bowling balls over that weight (11 lbs.) sink.
That's interesting about the floating bowling balls. I had no idea. Let me stipulate that the balls are 16 lbs. each. I hadn't thought about the slow sinking of the ball into the ice. I don't think it would take months to reach the bottom though.
 

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