Does the human eye magnify objects?

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The discussion centers around whether the human eye magnifies objects or perceives them at their correct size. Participants explore the biological and perceptual aspects of vision, including the role of the brain in interpreting visual data and the effects of corrective lenses.

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  • Some participants question the concept of "correct size" in vision, suggesting that perception may vary between individuals.
  • It is proposed that eyeglasses modify the perceived size of objects, but this is seen as a minor effect compared to the brain's role in size perception.
  • One participant argues that the human eye does not magnify objects but rather reduces their perceived size due to the fixed optical properties of the eye.
  • Another participant discusses how the eye's lens and cornea work together to focus images on the retina, affecting how objects are perceived.
  • There is mention of the brain's interpretation of visual data, which is influenced by various factors such as depth perception and distance.
  • A sarcastic remark highlights the absurdity of considering the eye as a magnifying device without the brain's involvement.
  • One participant emphasizes that the eye collects data while the brain interprets it, suggesting that evolution has optimized this process for survival.

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Participants express differing views on whether the eye magnifies objects or reduces their size, with some asserting that the brain is responsible for size perception. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the topic.

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Participants note that the perception of size is influenced by various factors, including depth perception and the optical characteristics of the eye. There are unresolved assumptions about the definitions of "magnification" and "correct size."

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring topics in vision science, psychology of perception, and the physiological aspects of the human eye.

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Scale of human vision.
Does the human eye see things at the correct size or is there such a thing? I know one of my eyes sees things slightly smaller than the other, but ideally should the eyes biologically not magnifying or shrink anything at all?
 
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LightningInAJar said:
Does the human eye see things at the correct size or is there such a thing? I know one of my eyes sees things slightly smaller than the other, but ideally should the eyes biologically not magnifying or shrink anything at all?
Is that even a thing? (my answer: no). What does "correct size" mean?
 
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LightningInAJar said:
Does the human eye see things at the correct size or is there such a thing?
No/does not matter. Just think about eyeglasses: all of them modifies the size of objects seen.
Size correction/matching/sense happens in the brain.
 
Eye glasses among other things are to make the image land on the plane of the retina instead of in front of or behind it, or make the image sharper.

One might consider that a change in magnification, WRT the eye, would change the number of photo-receptors that an given size object in the visual field would illuminate. Glasses don't do much of that unless they are magnifiers, or a telescope or something like that.
 
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Rive said:
Just think about eyeglasses: all of them modifies the size of objects seen.
Well, yes, to a minor extent though.

BillTre said:
Eye glasses among other things are to make the image land on the plane of the retina instead of in front of or behind it

Eye glasses are placed close to the existing eye lens, approximating a compound lens. (https://byjus.com/physics/compound-lenses-thin-lenses-in-contact/) This has the effect of changing the focal length of the existing eye lens.

For the far-sighted, a positive (convex) lens will shorten the effective focal length to bring close objects into focus on the retina. For the near-sighted a negative (concave) lens will bring distant objects into focus

A positive lens can be used as a magnifier simply by moving it further from the eye. A negative (concave) lens moved away from the eye makes the world look smaller.

Hope this helps!

Cheers,
Tom
 
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To answer the thread's title question "Does the Human eye magnify objects":

No. Quite the opposite...

Also, how should that work? The retina is a wee little spheroid thingie, less than an inch - the stuff outside is way bigger...

From a purely physical viewpoint, it reduces objects' sizes. The human eye's lens has a refractive power of about 18dpt when relaxed (i.e. not actively focussing), and the cornea / anterior chamber system has a power of 40-ish dpt. The total refractory power of the eye's optical apparatus is 59dpt. This is pretty constant throughout all humans. Hyperopia and myopia come from the eyeballs' size being smaller or larger than the ca. 24mm they should be... ...then the retina is out of focus of the (relaxed) lens + cornea, and the projected image gets blurry. In the ccase of mild hyperopia, the accomodation apparatus can still contract the lens to increase its refractory power, and thus compensate the reduced rear focus length.

Pages 6-10 in this physiology script here explain the optical apparatus quite nicely and concisely.

If you cut out the retina and the interfering brain, and find some very brightly lit stuff, to look at, you should be able to project a magnified image, onto the rear of your skull, though.
/sarcasm
 
Godot_ said:
If you cut out the retina and the interfering brain, and find some very brightly lit stuff, to look at, you should be able to project a magnified image, onto the rear of your skull, though.
Reminds me of the snail lip-brain prep a lab I used to know used to use to study a simple case of learning.
They would cut out the snail's lip and attached brain, put it in a culture dish, and poke it with electrodes. They could then watch a specific case of learning at the electrophysiological level.
 
LightningInAJar said:
Summary:: Scale of human vision.

Does the human eye see things at the correct size or is there such a thing? I know one of my eyes sees things slightly smaller than the other, but ideally should the eyes biologically not magnifying or shrink anything at all?
The eye does not 'see,' the brain does, would be my answer. The eye collects data and the brain interprets that data to the correct size as the per real world. Add to that colour, distance, moving and static.
Evolution has refined that process so we do not run into trees with think are far away but are actually inches away, take on a rival twice our size or jump off a small hill that is high enough to injure us.
Another thing is we imagine awake and dream asleep without optical input quite happily.
 
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