Does the immune system destroy virus infected cells?

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The discussion revolves around the immune system's response to virus-infected cells, exploring how viruses damage host cells, the role of MHC molecules in immune recognition, and the mechanisms by which the immune system identifies and eliminates infected cells. The conversation includes theoretical aspects of immunology and the behavior of different types of viruses.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that viruses typically destroy host cells through a process called lysis when they exit the cell.
  • Others argue that the immune system can recognize infected cells by detecting viral proteins presented on class I MHC molecules.
  • A participant questions how receptors bound to viruses remain after engulfment, suggesting a need for clarification on MHC markers.
  • Some participants note that certain viruses can integrate their genome into host cells and remain dormant, which may complicate immune recognition.
  • There is speculation about whether viruses can evade immune detection by preventing MHC molecules from reaching the cell surface.
  • Discussion includes the role of natural killer (NK) cells in targeting cells lacking MHC markers, with questions about how NK cells identify such cells.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the mechanisms of viral infection and immune response, particularly concerning the recognition of dormant viruses and the role of MHC molecules. The discussion remains unresolved on several points, particularly around the nuances of immune detection and viral evasion strategies.

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Limitations include assumptions about the behavior of viruses and immune cells, as well as the dependence on definitions of terms like "dormant" and "lytic." The discussion does not resolve the complexities of immune recognition in various viral contexts.

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What happens when virus invades a host cell, reproduces and then leaves without destroying the host cell. Then does the immune system destroy these infected host cells? How do viruses do damage. Is it simply by leaving the host cell and destroying it?If bacteria can enter the cell without destroying it why can't it leave the same way?
 
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By definition, a virus cannot leave the host cell without destroying it; it kills the cell in a process called lysis, which breaks the cell membrane. Bacterial infection causes lysis as well.
 
The immune system can recognize cells that are infected by viruses, once the cell starts to display the virus's proteins on class I MHC molecules on the outside of the cell.
 
Monique said:
The immune system can recognize cells that are infected by viruses, once the cell starts to display the virus's proteins on class I MHC molecules on the outside of the cell.

Thanks :smile: However when the virus is engulfed don't the cell engulf the receptor complex that was binded to the virus as well. So how do these receptors remain?
 
Just did a research on MHC molecules and understood what you meant :smile: MHC markers basically show to the extracellular environment what proteins are made inside. Thanks Monique for your help :smile: Thanks for kldickson as well but Moniques answer was what I was after.
 
It's also worth noting that some viruses integrate their genome into the host cell and lay dormant prior to replicating and lysing the cell (notable examples include retroviruses like herpes simplex and HIV). In these cases, I'm not sure whether the immune system would recognize these infected cells as they would not be actively producing viral proteins in this latent stage (perhaps someone with a better knowledge of immunology can correct me).
 
sameeralord said:
Just did a research on MHC molecules and understood what you meant :smile: MHC markers basically show to the extracellular environment what proteins are made inside. Thanks Monique for your help :smile: Thanks for kldickson as well but Moniques answer was what I was after.
You're welcome. What do you think would happen if a virus is so smart to stop class I MHC molecules from reaching the extracellular domain? (in which case the virus's proteins will not be displayed to the immune system, which would be a survival mechanism)
 
Ygggdrasil said:
It's also worth noting that some viruses integrate their genome into the host cell and lay dormant prior to replicating and lysing the cell (notable examples include retroviruses like herpes simplex and HIV). In these cases, I'm not sure whether the immune system would recognize these infected cells as they would not be actively producing viral proteins in this latent stage (perhaps someone with a better knowledge of immunology can correct me).
If the virus is dormant, it won't be recognized. Most people carry viruses around for life, such as Cytomegalovirus or Epstein-Barr virus.
 
Monique said:
You're welcome. What do you think would happen if a virus is so smart to stop class I MHC molecules from reaching the extracellular domain? (in which case the virus's proteins will not be displayed to the immune system, which would be a survival mechanism)

Jeez! Are their viruses like that? :eek: Then what do we do. Are we gone or can the immune system detect the virus when it on the way to another host cell? So would the host cells keep creating viruses?
 
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sameeralord said:
Jeez! Are their viruses like that? :eek: Then what do we do. Are we gone or can the immune system detect the virus when it on the way to another host cell? So would the host cells keep creating viruses?
Yes, there are viruses like that (tumors as well), but our body behaves in a smart way: cells that do not display class I MHC molecules are lysed by the natural killer (NK) cells of our immune system :smile:
 
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Monique said:
Yes, there are viruses like that (tumors as well), but our body behaves in a smart way: cells that do not display class I MHC molecules are lysed by the natural killer (NK) cells of our immune system :smile:

Can NK cells detect virus infected cells without MHC markers. How do they do that?
 
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No, they kill any cell that does not have the MHC molecules (since that is a dangerous condition).
 
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Monique said:
No, they kill any cell that does not have the MHC molecules (since that is a dangerous condition).

Thanks Monique for replying every question :smile: Our body is not that bad after all!
 

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