Does the Series Involving a Function with Continuous Third Derivative Converge?

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of a series involving a function with a continuous third derivative on the interval [-1,1]. Participants explore the implications of the function's properties and propose various approaches to proving convergence.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the convergence of the series, suggesting that the statement may be false when using the function f(x) = x.
  • Another participant challenges the notation "df/dn," arguing that it should be "df/dx" since f is not a function of n.
  • A different participant claims that the original statement holds true for f(x) = x, assuming the correction to "df/dx" is made.
  • One participant suggests using the Taylor expansion of f at 0 to analyze the series, indicating that many terms will cancel out.
  • A later reply questions the validity of using derivatives of order greater than 3 in the Taylor series, given that only the continuity of the third derivative is known.
  • Another participant notes that while the full Taylor series cannot be used, a truncated version up to four terms can be employed to define a remainder term that bounds the function result.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the series and the appropriate use of Taylor series expansions. There is no consensus on whether the series converges or the correct approach to proving it.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include uncertainty regarding the convergence of the Taylor series and the implications of using derivatives of order greater than three, as well as the potential for typographical errors in expressions presented.

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This problem has been bothering me for some time. Any thoughts or insights are greatly appreciated.

Consider a function, f, with continuous third derivative on [-1,1]. Prove that the series
[itex]\sum^{\infty}_{n=1} (nf(\frac{1}{n})-nf(-\frac{1}{n}) - 2\frac{df}{dn}(0))[/itex] converges.

Thanks in advance for any help!
 
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I think the statement is false. Try with f(x) = x.
 
You also cannot have "[itex]df/dn[/itex]" since f is not a function of n.

Perhaps you meant
[tex]\sum_{n=1}^\infty\left(nf(1/n)+ nf(-1/n)- 2\frac{df}{dx}(0)\right)[/tex]
 
Uhh, the statement holds true for f(x)=x (assuming df/dn is actually df/dx as HoI suggested). :rolleyes:

@HoI: You flipped a sign (typo I presume?). For your current expression f(x)=x will not hold.
 
As for a proof, you might want to take the Taylor expansion of f at 0. A lot of terms will drop and you'll see fun things happening.
 
I found the problem in the form I presented, though the derivative was with respect to x (as HoI pointed out). If I expand f as a taylor series, I think I see the fun of which you speak.

EDIT: All we know about f is that its third derivative is continuous. Does this effect the taylor series (Is it invalid to use derivatives at 0 of order > 3 if we are unsure if they even exist?)?
 
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You can't use the full Taylor series expansion (you don't even know it converges).

However, you can use Taylor up to 4 terms and use the term with the second or third derivative to define a remainder term that bounds the function result.
 

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