Does this job exist? I mean is it even possible? Am I wasting my time?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of obtaining a job in both Mathematics and Physics that allows for minimal social interaction and independence. Participants explore the nature of such jobs, the requirements for achieving them, and the potential challenges involved.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it is possible to have a job in Mathematics and Physics while living as a recluse, emphasizing a desire for minimal social contact and independence.
  • Another participant argues that jobs involving mathematical and physics research typically require significant social interaction, challenging the notion of being one's own boss in such fields.
  • Some participants suggest that while certain positions may allow for limited social interaction, such as at the Institute of Advanced Study, they often require substantial prior achievements and collaboration over many years.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality of pursuing a second Ph.D. and the importance of finding a specialization rather than seeking multiple degrees.
  • There is a suggestion that entrepreneurial ventures might better align with the desire for independence and control over one's work environment.
  • A participant notes that the desire to avoid social interaction may not align with common traits of successful individuals in the sciences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the possibility of achieving a reclusive job in Mathematics and Physics. While some acknowledge that such jobs may exist, others emphasize the necessity of social engagement in academic and research settings. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the feasibility of the original inquiry.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of prior achievements and the potential drawbacks of certain institutions, as well as the need for social interaction in academic careers. There are unresolved questions about the implications of pursuing multiple Ph.D.s and the nature of independence in scientific careers.

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Say I get a Ph.D in Physics and hopefully Mathematics as well later. I want to know whether either of them are necessary for this "ideal" job.

1. Very little (hopefully none) social contact whatsoever.
2. Working with very very little people. So I am not really looking to teach
3. Money isn't a big issue, but hopefully the $$$$ isn't too low
4. I like to be my own boss.
5. Hopefully I won't have to wake up early or sleep late.
6. Best if I don't have to go out as much.

If you don't understand what I have been talking about so far, my less-confusing question is, "Is it possible to get a job in both Mathematics and Physics and live as a recluse?"
 
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flyingpig said:
If you don't understand what I have been talking about so far, my less-confusing question is, "Is it possible to get a job in both Mathematics and Physics and live as a recluse?"

Anything involving mathematical and physics research will require you to be extremely social.

The terms "job" and "be your own boss" are mutually exclusive in any post-industrial society that I can think of. Even if you own your own business, you'll have to answer to creditors and clients.
 
Yes, the job does exist, you might be able to work like that at e.g Institute of Advanced Study and a few other places, at least if you've already won a Fields medal or a Nobel prize.
But this of course means that you must have already done some really important work which in turn means that you still have to spend perhaps 10-20 years in the real world collaborating with people etc before they even consider you.

So this is pretty much akin to asking if you can be an astronaut.
 
f95toli said:
Yes, the job does exist, you might be able to work like that at e.g Institute of Advanced Study

But note that it's been said the IAS has ruined more good scientists than any other institution.
 
flyingpig said:
1. Very little (hopefully none) social contact whatsoever.
2. Working with very very little people. So I am not really looking to teach
3. Money isn't a big issue, but hopefully the $$$$ isn't too low
4. I like to be my own boss.
5. Hopefully I won't have to wake up early or sleep late.
6. Best if I don't have to go out as much.

Sorry, I read criterion number 2 and thought: You want to be Gargamel?

Seriously though, first point is that there's not much point in doing a second PhD. Find an area of specialization that you like in the first one and expand from there.

Secondly, why do you not want to work with other people? Do you mean you don't want to do group projects? Or do you mean you don't want any interaction at all? Most academics have to present their work at conferences from time to time, solicit funding, teach or mentor, serve on committees etc.

If you really want to be your own boss, I would suggest an entreprenurial venture. Then you can set your own schedule and contact onyl those you want to.
 
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This is the third thread you have started involving multiple PhD's.

There are some common traits shared by successful people in the sciences. Having to be told the same thing over and over is not one of them.
 
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