Dog Colors (an inductive proof)

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The discussion revolves around an inductive proof claiming that in every set of n dogs, all dogs have the same color. Participants are examining the validity of the proof and identifying potential flaws in the reasoning, particularly focusing on the inductive step and its assumptions.

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  • One participant argues that the inductive hypothesis is improperly stated, suggesting this as a reason for the proof's potential falsehood.
  • Another participant points out that the proof only establishes that d2 is a common element between two subsets, which does not guarantee that all dogs share the same color, especially if n = 1.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the inductive step is only valid for n > 1, implying that the proof should first be validated for n = 2.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of the inductive proof, with multiple viewpoints on where the flaw lies. There is no consensus on the resolution of the argument.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the inductive reasoning presented, particularly concerning the base case and the transition from n to n + 1. The assumptions made in the proof are under scrutiny, but no definitive resolution is reached.

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I didn't really know where else to post this, it has a set, so I figured here would be the best place. The question is to find the flaw in this argument.

Claim: In every set of n dogs, all dogs have the same color.
Proof: By induction on n.

Basis: Take n = 1. In every set containing one dog, all dogs in that set must have the same color.

Inductive Step: Assume that in every set of digs with n dogs, all dogs in that set have the same color. We will show that in every set of dogs with n + 1 elements, all dogs in that set have the same color. Let D be a set consisting of the dogs d1, d2, ..., dn, dn+1. Let D1 be the subset of D consisting of d1, d2, d3, ..., dn and let D2 be the subset of D consisting of d2, d3, ..., dn, dn+1. D1 and D2 are sets with n dogs each. Hence, by the inductive hypothesis, all dogs in D1 have the same color, and all dogs in D2 have the same color. Since D1 and D2 share d2 as an element, we conclude that all dogs in D have the same color, that of d2.

I have two ideas as to why this may be false:

1. The inductive hypothesis is improperly stated, and therefore the proof is false.
2. The proof only states that d2 is a common element between both sets, therefore all must be the same color as d2. However, d3, d4, ..., and dn are also common to both sets, and the induction could be done on either of those dogs. If d2 is brown and d5 is white, all the dogs would have to be both brown and white, and therefore the proof fails.

I would greatly appreciate it if anyone could verify my arguments or point any flaws in my arguments. Thanks!
 
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I think the usual name for this is "all horses are the same color", if you need to Google for it.

thenava said:
I have two ideas as to why this may be false:

1. The inductive hypothesis is improperly stated, and therefore the proof is false.
2. The proof only states that d2 is a common element between both sets, therefore all must be the same color as d2. However, d3, d4, ..., and dn are also common to both sets, and the induction could be done on either of those dogs. If d2 is brown and d5 is white, all the dogs would have to be both brown and white, and therefore the proof fails.

I would greatly appreciate it if anyone could verify my arguments or point any flaws in my arguments. Thanks!

The base assumption is correct.

The problem with the inductive step is not that there are elements beside d_2 in common, but that d_2 may not be in common (if n = 1). If the assumption held for n = 2 dogs (it doesn't) then it would hold for any n.
 
Your inductive step is valid only for n>1.
So, your first step should be the proof for n=2.
 
Hey thanks for the help CRGreathouse, and Rogerio.
 

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