Domain of a function with 2 variables

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The discussion revolves around determining the domain of the function \(f(x,y)=\sqrt{\ln(\frac{9}{x^{2}-y^{2}})}\). Participants explore the conditions necessary for the function to be defined, focusing on the implications of logarithmic and square root constraints.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant identifies three conditions for the domain: \(\ln \left ( \frac{9}{x^{2}-y^{2}} \right )\geq 0\), \(\frac{9}{x^2-y^2}>0\), and \(x^2\neq y^2\).
  • Another participant confirms that since the numerator is positive, the denominator must also be positive, leading to the conclusion that \(x^2-y^2>0\).
  • From the inequality \(\frac{9}{x^2-y^2}\geq 1\), it is derived that \(9 \geq x^2-y^2\), resulting in the conditions \(0 < x^2 - y^2 \le 9\).
  • Participants discuss the geometric implications of these conditions, suggesting that the domain is bounded by hyperbolas and lines.
  • There is a question regarding the correctness of the identified domain, specifically whether the area described excludes the lines \(y=x\) and \(y=-x\).
  • A later reply suggests that the original function may have been misstated, proposing a correction to the function's definition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the correctness of the domain representation and whether the original function was accurately stated. There is no consensus on the final domain or the implications of the proposed corrections.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of the logarithmic and square root conditions, and there are dependencies on the correct interpretation of the function's definition.

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Hello all, I am trying to find and draw the domain of this function:

\[f(x,y)=\sqrt{ln(\frac{9}{x^{2}+y^{2}})}\]

Somehow I find some technical difficulty with it.

I have found 3 conditions:

\[\ln \left ( \frac{9}{x^{2}-y^{2}} \right )\geq 0\]

and

\[\frac{9}{x^2-y^2}>0\]

and

\[x^2\neq y^2\]This led me to understand that maybe an hyperbola is concerned, or a part of it anyway.

I understand that in order to keep

\[\ln \left ( \frac{9}{x^{2}-y^{2}} \right )\geq 0\]

I get

\[\frac{9}{x^2-y^2}\geq 1\]

after applying e. But I am kind of stuck now.

Your help will be most appreciated. I want to draw the domain at the end.
 
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Yankel said:
Hello all, I am trying to find and draw the domain of this function:

\[f(x,y)=\sqrt{ln(\frac{9}{x^{2}+y^{2}})}\]

Somehow I find some technical difficulty with it.

I have found 3 conditions:

\[\ln \left ( \frac{9}{x^{2}-y^{2}} \right )\geq 0\]

and

\[\frac{9}{x^2-y^2}>0\]

and

\[x^2\neq y^2\]This led me to understand that maybe an hyperbola is concerned, or a part of it anyway.

I understand that in order to keep

\[\ln \left ( \frac{9}{x^{2}-y^{2}} \right )\geq 0\]

I get

\[\frac{9}{x^2-y^2}\geq 1\]

after applying e. But I am kind of stuck now.

Your help will be most appreciated. I want to draw the domain at the end.

Hello Yankel!

You have:
\[\frac{9}{x^2-y^2}\geq 1 \qquad \qquad (1)\]
Since the numerator is positive, the denominator will have to be positive as well:
\[x^2-y^2>0 \qquad \qquad \qquad (2)\]
This also covers your observation that $x^2\neq y^2$.

It means you can multiply both sides in (1) with $x^2-y^2$, keeping the orientation of the inequality sign.
\[9 \geq x^2-y^2\]
So you are left with:
\begin{cases}
x^2-y^2 &\leq& 9 \\
x^2-y^2&>&0
\end{cases}
$$0 < x^2 - y^2 \le 9$$

These are the 2 areas bounded by the hyperbola:
$$\Big(\frac x 3\Big)^2-\Big(\frac y 3\Big)^2 = 1$$
the line:
$$y=x$$
and the line:
$$y=-x$$
 
Is this correct then ?

(the blue area - which doesn't include the lines themselves of y=x and y=-x)

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Yankel said:
Is this correct then ?

(the blue area - which doesn't include the lines themselves of y=x and y=-x)

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Yankel said:
Hello all, I am trying to find and draw the domain of this function:

\[f(x,y)=\sqrt{ln(\frac{9}{x^{2}+y^{2}})}\]

Assuming that your original equation should actually be:
\[f(x,y)=\sqrt{\ln(\frac{9}{x^{2}-y^{2}})}\]
with a - sign instead of a + sign, yep, that would be correct. :)
 

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