Dot and Cross Products: Solving for [u x v] - 0, Simplification and Distribution

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The discussion centers around the expression involving the dot product of a vector \( u \) with the cross product of vectors \( u \) and \( v \). Participants are exploring the implications of this operation, particularly why the result is stated to be zero.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the process of simplifying the cross product \( [u \times v] \) before taking the dot product with \( u \). There is also discussion about the potential for distributing \( u \) across \( u \) and \( v \). Some participants suggest that \( u \times v \) is orthogonal to both \( u \) and \( v \), prompting inquiries about the implications of this orthogonality on the dot product.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their thoughts on the relationships between the operations involved. Some have provided insights into the orthogonality of the vectors and the nature of the dot product, but there is no explicit consensus on the reasoning behind the result being zero.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the answer to the problem is zero, but there is uncertainty about the reasoning and steps leading to this conclusion. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and approaches to the problem.

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Homework Statement



u (dot) [ u x v]

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The Attempt at a Solution



The answer is 0, but I'm not sure why. Do you simplify [u x v], then use that vector to dot it with u? Or can you distribute the u to both u and v?
 
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The vector of \left|u \times v\right| = \left|\begin{array}{cc}i & j & k\\u_1 & u_2 & u_3\\v_1 & v_2 &v_3\end{array}\right|Then substitute in u for i,j,k because you're trying to prove that the vector \left|u \times v\right| is orthogonal to both u and v. Then simplify and distribute.
 
Lurid said:

Homework Statement



u (dot) [ u x v]

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



The answer is 0, but I'm not sure why. Do you simplify [u x v], then use that vector to dot it with u? Or can you distribute the u to both u and v?
Hello Lurid. Welcome to PF !

You have two different kinds of multiplication involving vectors. Why would you be tempted to do any distributing ?


u × v is perpendicular to both u and v.

What is the result of taking the dot product (scalar product) of two vectors which are perpendicular to each other?
 
Lurid said:

Homework Statement



u (dot) [ u x v]

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



The answer is 0, but I'm not sure why. Do you simplify [u x v], then use that vector to dot it with u? Or can you distribute the u to both u and v?

Sometimes the easiest way is to just write things down in detail. If \textbf{u} = u_x \textbf{i} + u_y\, \textbf{j} + u_z\textbf{k} \mbox{ and } \textbf{v} = v_x \textbf{i} + v_y \, \textbf{j} + v_z \textbf{k}, then the x-component of \textbf{u} \times <br /> \textbf{v} is u_y v_z - u_z v_y. When we take the dot product with u, we take u_x times the above. We have two other such terms from the y- and z-components, so all we need to do is sum them up and simplify. It really is not difficult.

RGV
 

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