Dot Product of Momentum and Radial Operators

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The discussion focuses on calculating the momentum space function for the ground state of hydrogen using the equation for the wave function in momentum space, specifically for the case where l=m=0 and Z=n=1. The integral involves substituting the dot product of momentum and position vectors, leading to confusion regarding the application of spherical coordinates. The key takeaway is that the dot product simplifies to a scalar form, allowing for straightforward integration without the need for operator notation.

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Homework Statement



I need to find the momentum space function for the ground state of hydrogen (l=m=0, Z=n=1)

Homework Equations



<br /> \phi(\vec{p}) = \frac{1}{(2\pi\hbar)^{3/2}}\int e^{-i(\vec{p}\cdot\vec{r})/\hbar}\psi(\vec{r})d^3\vec{r}<br />

<br /> \psi(\vec{r})=Y(\theta,\varphi)R(r)=(\sqrt{\frac{1}{4\pi}})(2(\frac{Z}{a_{0}})^{3/2}e^{-Zr/a_{0}})<br />

<br /> d^3r=r^2dr sin\theta d\theta d\varphi<br />

The Attempt at a Solution



After doing some plugging in and integrating, I get
<br /> \phi(\vec{p})=\frac{4}{\pi}(2a_{0}\hbar)^{-3/2} \int r^2e^{-i(\vec{p}\cdot\vec{r})/\hbar}e^{-r/a_{0}}d^3r<br />

And my little roadblock is simply regarding the \vec{p}\cdot\vec{r}. I know that it's -i\hbar \nabla r but I don't know how to calculate that, and as a result, I don't know how to carry out the integral.

One of the hints on the problem was, when using spherical coordinates, to set the polar axis along p. What might that mean?

Thanks for your help!
 
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gatztopher said:
And my little roadblock is simply regarding the \vec{p}\cdot\vec{r}. I know that it's -i\hbar \nabla r but I don't know how to calculate that, and as a result, I don't know how to carry out the integral.

No, \vec{r} and \vec{p} are the position and momentum vectors, not operators, and the 'dot' is just an ordinary vector dot product.


One of the hints on the problem was, when using spherical coordinates, to set the polar axis along p. What might that mean?

The polar axis is usually the z-axis, so the hint is just telling you to choose your coordinate system so that \vec{p}=p\hat{z}...which you are free to do, since the integration is over \vec{r}, which is independent from \vec{p}.
 
So, I understand that you mean this:
\vec{p} \cdot \vec{r}=p\hat{z} \cdot r\hat{r}=|p||r|cos\theta
But then, that leaves me with |p||r|cos\theta=|-i\hbar\nabla| |r|cos\theta with \nabla=\hat{r}\frac{\partial}{\partial r}+\hat{\theta}\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial}{\partial \theta}+\hat{\varphi}\frac{1}{rsin\theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial\varphi}, and if I carried out that calculation I would have a bunch of unit vectors on my hands, which defies the rule that dot products have scalar results. Where's my mistake?
 
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No, again \vec{p} and \vec{r} are vectors, not operators...\vec{p}\cdot\vec{r}\neq-i\hbar\nabla r\cos\theta...Just substitute \vec{p}\cdot\vec{r}= pr\cos\theta into your integral and integrate...
 
Oh! Overthinking it... thank you!
 

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