Dot Product of Momentum and Radial Operators

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the momentum space function for the ground state of hydrogen, specifically for the case where both angular momentum quantum numbers are zero. The problem involves integrating a wave function in momentum space using spherical coordinates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integration process and the interpretation of the dot product between momentum and position vectors. There are attempts to clarify the meaning of the hint regarding setting the polar axis along the momentum vector.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications on the nature of the vectors involved and the correct approach to substituting the dot product into the integral. There is an acknowledgment of overthinking the problem, indicating a shift towards a more straightforward approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of spherical coordinates and the implications of vector operations in the context of quantum mechanics. The discussion reflects a common challenge in interpreting mathematical expressions in physics.

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Homework Statement



I need to find the momentum space function for the ground state of hydrogen (l=m=0, Z=n=1)

Homework Equations



[tex] \phi(\vec{p}) = \frac{1}{(2\pi\hbar)^{3/2}}\int e^{-i(\vec{p}\cdot\vec{r})/\hbar}\psi(\vec{r})d^3\vec{r}[/tex]

[tex] \psi(\vec{r})=Y(\theta,\varphi)R(r)=(\sqrt{\frac{1}{4\pi}})(2(\frac{Z}{a_{0}})^{3/2}e^{-Zr/a_{0}})[/tex]

[tex] d^3r=r^2dr sin\theta d\theta d\varphi[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



After doing some plugging in and integrating, I get
[tex] \phi(\vec{p})=\frac{4}{\pi}(2a_{0}\hbar)^{-3/2} \int r^2e^{-i(\vec{p}\cdot\vec{r})/\hbar}e^{-r/a_{0}}d^3r[/tex]

And my little roadblock is simply regarding the [tex]\vec{p}\cdot\vec{r}[/tex]. I know that it's [tex]-i\hbar \nabla r[/tex] but I don't know how to calculate that, and as a result, I don't know how to carry out the integral.

One of the hints on the problem was, when using spherical coordinates, to set the polar axis along p. What might that mean?

Thanks for your help!
 
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gatztopher said:
And my little roadblock is simply regarding the [tex]\vec{p}\cdot\vec{r}[/tex]. I know that it's [tex]-i\hbar \nabla r[/tex] but I don't know how to calculate that, and as a result, I don't know how to carry out the integral.

No, [itex]\vec{r}[/itex] and [itex]\vec{p}[/itex] are the position and momentum vectors, not operators, and the 'dot' is just an ordinary vector dot product.


One of the hints on the problem was, when using spherical coordinates, to set the polar axis along p. What might that mean?

The polar axis is usually the z-axis, so the hint is just telling you to choose your coordinate system so that [itex]\vec{p}=p\hat{z}[/itex]...which you are free to do, since the integration is over [itex]\vec{r}[/itex], which is independent from [itex]\vec{p}[/itex].
 
So, I understand that you mean this:
[tex]\vec{p} \cdot \vec{r}=p\hat{z} \cdot r\hat{r}=|p||r|cos\theta[/tex]
But then, that leaves me with [tex]|p||r|cos\theta=|-i\hbar\nabla| |r|cos\theta[/tex] with [tex]\nabla=\hat{r}\frac{\partial}{\partial r}+\hat{\theta}\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial}{\partial \theta}+\hat{\varphi}\frac{1}{rsin\theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial\varphi}[/tex], and if I carried out that calculation I would have a bunch of unit vectors on my hands, which defies the rule that dot products have scalar results. Where's my mistake?
 
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No, again [itex]\vec{p}[/itex] and [itex]\vec{r}[/itex] are vectors, not operators...[itex]\vec{p}\cdot\vec{r}\neq-i\hbar\nabla r\cos\theta[/itex]...Just substitute [itex]\vec{p}\cdot\vec{r}= pr\cos\theta[/itex] into your integral and integrate...
 
Oh! Overthinking it... thank you!
 

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