Double Slit Experiment: Largest Size for Wave-Particle Duality

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The discussion revolves around the double slit experiment and the concept of wave-particle duality, specifically exploring the largest size of particles (such as protons or molecules) that can still exhibit wave-particle duality. The scope includes theoretical implications and experimental observations related to quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that while wave-particle duality is always present, its characteristics become undetectable as the de Broglie wavelength decreases, implying that even large objects could theoretically exhibit this duality.
  • Another participant references a 2006 experiment by Yves Couder and Emmanuel Fort, which demonstrated quantum effects with a macroscopic oil droplet, noting practical limits due to interactions as the size of the object increases.
  • Several participants mention that buckyballs and larger molecules have shown quantum characteristics, with one citing work by Markus Arndt's group on molecules of up to 810 atoms.
  • There is a repeated acknowledgment of the remarkable nature of these findings, indicating a shared sense of wonder among participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement on the existence of wave-particle duality across various sizes, but there is no consensus on the specific limits or conditions under which it becomes negligible. Multiple competing views regarding the implications of size and detection remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of wave-particle duality and the practical challenges of conducting experiments with larger objects. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical or theoretical implications of these observations.

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I know when they performed the famous double slits experiment they used either electrons, or photons.

I am trying to find out what is the largest size we could use (proton, molecule, etc) where the probability of wave-particle duality to occur in the experiment drops to something negligible (maybe 10%).
Thanks.
 
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The probability is always there and is always 100%, but the characteristics become undetectable if the Broglie wavelength becomes too small.
So the corny answer is that you could throw around whole planets and still have wave-particle duality.

And we have to realize that finding a narrow slit for a big object to go through is kind of making this even harder !
 
This experiment has been set up and reproduced in various guises many times and using various means.
In 2006 the first such experiment was successfully performed (that is the experiment yielded results consistent with quantum effects) by Yves Couder and Emmanuel Fort (in France) on a macroscopic object, that of an oil droplet of some number of atoms.
There is an upper, practical limit, however, due to the potential for an interaction occurring between the emission of the object and the detection on screen. This potential increases rapidly as the number of component parts (spatial volume they inhabit?) increases.
 
I happened to have watch MIT OCW videos on QM. The Prof said that even bucky balls have been shown to show quantum characteristics. Pretty awesome!
 
The subsequent work of Markus Arndt and his group has been even more remarkable. They went to molecules of up to 810 atoms: http://arxiv.org/abs/1310.8343
 
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I thought I had read about something like that, but couldn't find the details!
Thanks, really amazing.
DrClaude said:
The subsequent work of Markus Arndt and his group has been even more remarkable. They went to molecules of up to 810 atoms: http://arxiv.org/abs/1310.8343
 

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