Doubt about Frame Dragging and planetary revolution

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of frame dragging on a satellite's orbit when placed in a circular orbit around the Sun, particularly if it revolves in the opposite direction to the Sun's rotation. Participants explore the implications of frame dragging in both the context of the Sun and rotating black holes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a satellite orbiting in the opposite direction to the Sun's rotation would fall into the Sun, expressing uncertainty about the outcome.
  • Another participant suggests that the effect of frame dragging for the Sun is negligible and proposes that the discussion should focus on rotating black holes, noting the complexity of stable orbits in such contexts.
  • A participant provides a formula derived from the Kerr metric, indicating that a satellite in a retrograde orbit would require a higher velocity for a stable orbit compared to a prograde orbit.
  • Further, a participant mentions that the proper periods of clocks in prograde and retrograde orbits would differ, highlighting a specific relationship that does not depend on gravitational constant or orbital radius.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of frame dragging, with some focusing on the Sun and others on rotating black holes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific outcomes for the satellite's orbit.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the negligible effects of frame dragging for the Sun and the complexities involved in stable orbits around rotating black holes. Mathematical expressions and their implications are presented without resolution of their applicability in this context.

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Our sun rotates in counter clockwise direction and hence frame dragging will be also in that direction. Suppose if we put a satellite in sun's orbit (almost circular) to revolve in opposite direction to the sun's spin, what would happen to the orbit of the satellite? Would it fall into the sun?
 
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Hmmm... I don't think the satellite would fall into the Sun, but I'm not certain.
 
Of course, the effect for our Sun is negligible
So it is better to talk about the rotating BH. Black holes (not rotating) have zones where no stable orbits are possible. Rotating BHs have ergosphere where you can rotate only in the same direction with BH. I think the question "what is an area where stable orbits with a rotation opposite to the BH" is a good one and is quite complicated.
 
You'll probably find that the satellite orbiting against the suns rotation would need a slightly higher velocity. From Kerr metric, the velocity required for a stable orbit at the equator around a spinning object which takes into account frame dragging is-

[tex]v_\pm=\frac{r^2+a^2\mp 2a\sqrt{Mr}}{\sqrt{\Delta} \left[a\pm r\sqrt{r/M}\right]}[/tex]

where [itex]\Delta= r^{2}+a^{2}-2Mr[/itex]

[itex]\pm[/itex] denotes prograde and retrograde orbit, [itex]M[/itex] is the gravitational radius [itex](M=Gm/c^2)[/itex] and [itex]a[/itex] is the spin parameter [itex](a=J/mc)[/itex] which for the sun is approx. [itex]a=0.185M[/itex].

Source- http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0407004 equation 25
 
Very interesting, Steve... Furthermore, a prograde equatorial orbiting clock and a retrograde orbiting clock would have different proper periods, t, ...
the difference given by ...
(t+) −(t−) ≈ 4πJ/(Mc^2).
And which, remarkably, is not dependent upon G or the orbital radius...as pointed out here: http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9912027
 

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