Doubt related to buoyant force and fluid thrust force

In summary, the buoyant force is the vertical component of the normal force the water exerts on the wedge.
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Homework Statement
Mark all the forces acting on the wedge (the coefficient of friction between the wall and the wedge is mu) the container is of depth h and breadth b.
The wedge is placed in a fluid of density d.
Relevant Equations
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wedge in water.png

(this problem is slightly modified from the original problem.)
There is a contact force(friction and normal force) between the wedge and the walls of the container and there is a fluid thrust acting on the side of the wedge in contact with the fluid( this force is normal to the slanted surface and the force per depth can be given by the are of the pressure diagram) there is also a buoyant force acting on this wedge in the upward direction.
$$F_{thrust} = \frac {dgh^2 b}{2cos\theta}$$
$$F_{buoyant} = dg((1/2) h^2 b tan\theta)$$
$$f = \frac{\mu dgh^2 b}{2}$$
$$F_{g} = mg$$

The normal reaction on the wedge is the horizontal component of ##F_{thrust}## and my confusion is, shouldn't ##F_{buoyant} ## actually not be a separate force rather it should be the vertical component of the force ##F_{thrust}##?
isn't the buoyant force a result of all the ##(da)P## (where ##da## is the differential area and P is the pressure at that point in the liquid)
If that's not the case what exactly is causing the buoyant force?
 
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The buoyancy force is the vertical component of the normal force the water exerts on the wedge.
I am confused by this: "The normal reaction on the wedge is the horizontal component of Fthrust". Which normal reaction, from water or wall?
 
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haruspex said:
"The normal reaction on the wedge is the horizontal component of Fthrust". Which normal reaction, from water or wall?

( the normal reaction from the water is ##F_{thrust}##)
the x-component of ##F_{thrust}## is equal to the normal reaction form the wall.
 
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Hamiltonian299792458 said:
( the normal reaction from the water is ##F_{thrust}##)
the x-component of ##F_{thrust}## is equal to the normal reaction form the wall.
Ok, but why doesn't the angle feature in your expression for the frictional force?
 
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haruspex said:
The buoyancy force is the vertical component of the normal force the water exerts on the wedge.
but in this question, there is supposed to be another force ##F_{buoyant} = (1/2)dgh^2b tan\theta## supposed to be acting on the wedge which is in addition to the y component of ##F_{thrust}##
 
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Hamiltonian299792458 said:
but in this question, there is supposed to be another force ##F_{buoyant} = (1/2)dgh^2b tan\theta## supposed to be acting on the wedge which is in addition to the y component of ##F_{thrust}##
It will help if you clarify which parts of your post are from the source text and which are your own thoughts.
 
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wedge in wata.png

this is the original question.
option (a) is the correct answer.

Which can be obtained by balancing all the forces on the wedge.
In doing so the problem I faced was is whether the buoyant force acting on this wedge the Y-component of ##F_{thrust}## or whether the buoyant force is ##F_{buoyant} = (1/2)dgh^2b tan\theta## (given by Archimedes principle) and if the latter is correct what is exactly causing this force to act?

also the correct answer is obtained by adding this additional force ##F_{bouyant}##
 
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haruspex said:
Ok, but why doesn't the angle feature in your expression for the frictional force?
It gets cancelled.
$$f=\mu F_{thrust} cos\theta$$
$$F_{thrust} = \frac {dgh^2 b}{2cos\theta}$$
 
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Hamiltonian299792458 said:
It gets cancelled.
$$f=\mu F_{thrust} cos\theta$$
$$F_{thrust} = \frac {dgh^2 b}{2cos\theta}$$
So it does.

The y component of Fthrust is ##F_{thrust}\sin(\theta)=\frac {dgh^2 b\tan(\theta)}{2}##, as you calculated for the buoyant force. They're the same thing.
 
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What is buoyant force and how does it relate to fluid thrust force?

Buoyant force is the upward force exerted by a fluid on an object partially or fully submerged in it. It is caused by the pressure difference between the top and bottom of the object. Fluid thrust force, on the other hand, is the force exerted by a fluid on an object moving through it. Both forces are related as they are both caused by the pressure of the fluid on the object.

How does the shape and density of an object affect the buoyant force?

The shape and density of an object affect the buoyant force in two ways. Firstly, the shape of the object determines the volume of fluid displaced, which in turn affects the magnitude of the buoyant force. Secondly, the density of the object determines its ability to float or sink in the fluid, which also affects the buoyant force acting on it.

What is the difference between positive and negative buoyancy?

Positive buoyancy occurs when the buoyant force is greater than the weight of the object, causing it to float. Negative buoyancy, on the other hand, occurs when the weight of the object is greater than the buoyant force, causing it to sink. Neutral buoyancy is when the weight and buoyant force are equal, causing the object to remain suspended in the fluid.

How does the depth and pressure of a fluid affect buoyant force?

The depth and pressure of a fluid have a direct relationship with buoyant force. As the depth increases, the pressure also increases, resulting in a greater buoyant force. This is because the pressure difference between the top and bottom of the object also increases, resulting in a larger upward force. Similarly, a decrease in depth and pressure would result in a decrease in buoyant force.

What is Archimedes' principle and how does it relate to buoyant force?

Archimedes' principle states that the buoyant force acting on an object is equal to the weight of the fluid displaced by the object. This means that the buoyant force is directly proportional to the volume of fluid displaced. This principle explains why some objects float while others sink, as the buoyant force is determined by the volume of fluid they displace.

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