Draw a venn diagram and include the given information

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem involving a Venn diagram that represents the relationships between individuals suffering from heart disease, diabetes, and stress. Participants are tasked with determining the number of individuals in each category based on the provided data.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests defining the number of individuals suffering from both heart disease and diabetes as $x$ to facilitate calculations.
  • Another participant presents an equation based on the total number of individuals (40) and the relationships between the groups, leading to the equation $$(20-x)+x+(25-x)+3+4=40$$.
  • A later reply corrects an earlier calculation, noting an error in the inclusion of a number in the equation, specifically addressing the "+ 7" term which was deemed unnecessary.
  • Participants express appreciation for corrections made during the discussion, indicating a collaborative effort to refine the solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the final structure of the Venn diagram or the exact values for each category, as participants are still working through the calculations and corrections. Multiple viewpoints and approaches are presented without a definitive resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working with incomplete information regarding the overlap between heart disease and diabetes, leading to the introduction of a variable ($x$) to represent this unknown quantity. The discussion also highlights potential errors in mathematical reasoning that are being corrected in real-time.

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Problem

It was revealed that out of 40 persons who visited a medical clinic , 20 heart diseases and 25 had diabetes. All those who had heart diseases and all those had diabetes suffered from stress too. 3 persons suffered from stress only had 4 persons did not suffer from stress.

i.Draw a Venn Diagram to depict this information and write down in it , the number of elements belonging to each region.

ii.How many persons had diabetes but did not have heart diseases

Workings

Okay So this is how a picture the Venn diagram should be.

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Many Thanks (Happy)
 

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We aren't given how many suffer both from heart disease AND diabetes, so we'll call that number $x$ and then fill in what we do know:

View attachment 6058

Now, we know the sum of all the areas is 40, so we may write:

$$(20-x)+x+(25-x)+3+4=40$$

Now, we just need to solve for $x$...(Thinking)
 

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MarkFL said:
We aren't given how many suffer both from heart disease AND diabetes, so we'll call that number $x$ and then fill in what we do know:

Now, we know the sum of all the areas is 40, so we may write:

$$(20-x)+x+(25-x)+3+4=40$$

Now, we just need to solve for $x$...(Thinking)

Thank you very much (Happy)(Party)

$$(20-x)+x+(25-x)+7=40$$
$$(20)+(25-x)+7=40$$
$$(52-x)+7=40$$
$$-x=40-52$$
$$x=12$$

Now I updated the Diagram,

https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/6059._xfImport

Many Thanks :)

Update :I have started a new thread for the second part of this question :http://mathhelpboards.com/pre-algebra-algebra-2/part-2-draw-venn-diagram-include-given-information-19726.html#post90091
 

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Good job! (Star)

In the future, it's okay to post a follow-up question in the same thread (a question that pertains to the original question), we just don't want completely new questions tagged onto an existing thread. :D
 
mathlearn said:
Thank you very much (Happy)(Party)

$$(20-x)+x+(25-x)+7=40$$
$$(20)+(25-x)+7=40$$
$$(52-x)+7=40$$
The "+ 7" here is wrong. That 7 is already included in the "52".

$$-x=40-52$$
That error was corrected here.

$$x=12$$

Now I updated the Diagram,
Many Thanks :)

Update :I have started a new thread for the second part of this question :http://mathhelpboards.com/pre-algebra-algebra-2/part-2-draw-venn-diagram-include-given-information-19726.html#post90091
 
HallsofIvy said:
The "+ 7" here is wrong. That 7 is already included in the "52". That error was corrected here.

(Happy) (Smile) (Party) Thanks for the catch
 

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