Drell Yan Process: Gamma-Star, Z, and W Mediators

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The discussion centers on the Drell-Yan process, specifically the roles of gamma-star, Z, and W bosons as mediators. Participants explore the definitions and characteristics of these mediators, including conditions under which they may be classified differently, and the implications of virtual versus real particles in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether gamma-star simply refers to a photon with a significant amount of energy.
  • There is discussion about the energy threshold at which a mediator transitions from gamma-star to Z, with reference to the Z resonance peak at 91 GeV.
  • Some participants note that both gamma-star and Z can mediate the process, with their contributions depending on the energy of the interaction.
  • Concerns are raised about the classification of the Drell-Yan process when a W boson acts as a mediator, with some asserting it cannot be classified as Drell-Yan.
  • Participants highlight the distinction between real and virtual particles, particularly in the context of massless photons and their off-shell nature.
  • One participant mentions that while Drell-Yan is traditionally associated with virtual photon exchange, it can be indistinguishable from Z exchange at high masses.
  • Historical context is provided, noting that the original Drell-Yan description focused on photons, with later generalizations to include other gauge bosons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the classification of processes involving W bosons as Drell-Yan, with some asserting it cannot be classified as such, while others reference literature that includes W-mediated processes under a broader definition. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise conditions and classifications of the mediators.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of virtual versus real particles, particularly for massless particles like photons, and the implications of these definitions on the classification of mediators in the Drell-Yan process.

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https://particle.phys.uvic.ca/twiki/pub/Main/AlisonFaulkner/Drell-Yan.jpg

The Feynman diagram for Drell Yan has a gamma-star or a Z as the mediator.

Does gamma-star simply mean a photon with a sizeable amount of energy?
Is there a well-defined point in the energy of the mediator when it's a Z instead of a gamma-star? The peak of the Z resonance on an invariant mass plot is 91 GeV, but as a wide resonance it could also have less energy than that.
If a W acts as the mediator, is it still classified as Drell Yan?
 
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Is there a well-defined point in the energy of the mediator when it's a Z instead of a gamma-star? The peak of the Z resonance on an invariant mass plot is 91 GeV, but as a wide resonance it could also have less energy than that.
Fig 4 in this paper shows a nice peak at the Z mass.
 
It highlights the fact that the photon is virtual (and therefore off-shell).

Is there a well-defined point in the energy of the mediator when it's a Z instead of a gamma-star?
Both are possible, and their relative contribution depends on the energy of the process.

With a W, you need ##q \bar{q'}## (one up-type and one down-type quark). I don't know how this process is called.
 
mfb said:
It highlights the fact that the photon is virtual (and therefore off-shell).

Thank you for your replies!

For massive particles, a real particle is one which lies on mass shell i.e. E^2-p^2*c^2=m^2*c^4. For a virtual particle the equals sign doesn't apply and one can get different values for m other than the true value of m.

However, a photon is massless, so what does it mean for a photon to be off-shell?
 
##E \neq p## (or ##E\neq pc## if you don't like c=1) - something which is satisfied for real photons.

Real Photons have the same equation like massive particles, they just have m=0 there.
 
JoePhysicsNut said:
Thank you for your replies!

For massive particles, a real particle is one which lies on mass shell i.e. E^2-p^2*c^2=m^2*c^4. For a virtual particle the equals sign doesn't apply and one can get different values for m other than the true value of m.

However, a photon is massless, so what does it mean for a photon to be off-shell?

It also means that for a photon with 4-momentum K, K^2 is NOT 0 as it would be if "on shell".
 
If a W acts as the mediator, is it still classified as Drell Yan?
it can not be,can you see why.
 
If a W acts as the mediator, is it still classified as Drell Yan?
it can not be,can you see why.
http://theory.fnal.gov/jetp/talks/vicini.pdf on the observation of Drell-Yan processes at the LHC includes in the discussion those in which W is the intermediate particle. Other references use the term "Drell-Yan-like."

EDIT: Especially see the third slide, "The Drell-Yan processes", in which the diagram given has an intermediate W.
 
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So a u quark and d(bar) quark annihilate each other.
 
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Technically, Drell-Yan is only virtual photon exchange. However, especially at high mass, it is indistinguishable from Z exchange, so that is often included. The LHC experiments, by analogy, have called q-qbar annihilation through a virtual W "Drell-Yan", but it is strictly speaking not correct.
 
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I see from Wikipedia that Drell and Yan described this process in 1970. Electroweak theory (including the Z and W) was just getting off the ground at that time, so it seems natural that (a) they considered only photons, and (b) people later tended to generalize to similar processes involving the other gauge bosons.
 

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