Drugs And Toxins Thats Affect Neural Pathways

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This discussion revolves around the effects of drugs and toxins on neural pathways, exploring various substances that impact the nervous system. Participants share insights on specific drugs and toxins, their mechanisms, and the distinctions between drugs and toxins.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest prions as a notable class of toxins, highlighting their lethality in mice.
  • Others express interest in Batrachotoxins, Saxitoxin, and Tetrodotoxin, noting the unique origins of Batrachotoxin from dietary sources.
  • Several participants mention various classes of drugs, including NMDA antagonists, MAOIs, and SSRIs, as well as illicit drugs like marijuana and cocaine, which target the central nervous system.
  • There is a discussion about the classification of drugs versus toxins, with some participants arguing that many drugs have toxic effects, while others clarify that not all pharmaceuticals should be classified as toxins.
  • One participant explains that substances like methamphetamine and amphetamine can be neurotoxic due to their effects on dopamine, while cocaine and methylphenidate have different neurotoxic mechanisms.
  • Another participant elaborates on the distinction between toxins as metabolic byproducts and drugs that have therapeutic uses, emphasizing the concept of a therapeutic window.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the classification of substances as drugs or toxins, with no clear consensus on the definitions or implications of these terms. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nuances of neurotoxicity and the effects of various substances.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of drug effects and their potential toxicity, noting that definitions may depend on context and specific mechanisms of action. There are unresolved distinctions between drugs, toxins, and poisons, as well as the implications of therapeutic versus toxic effects.

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As the title indicates, this post is directed towards the subject of Drugs and Toxins that affect the nervous system. I'll be writing a report on this and it is up to me to pick a specific drug or toxin to write about. I was just wondering what you all have to say about the subject. Maybe there are some interesting drugs and toxins that you know about. If so go ahead and share what you know, this is just for fun. Post pictures of the physical effects if you want.
 
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I'd look at prions as an interesting class of toxins. Especially http://www.plospathogens.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.ppat.1001257"

100 percent lethal in mice.
 
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Nice, I am going to look it up
 
I'm a big fan of Batrachotoxins, Saxitoxin, and Tetrodotoxin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batrachotoxin

I find the former most fascinating because by all accounts it arises as a result of the diet, and not the usual modified salivary/sebaceous glands. Take the frog out of the jungle, and you take the BTX out of the frog.

edit: for another direction:

Staphylococcal Enterotoxin (B)
and...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botulinum_toxin ... the nastiest toxin I can think of that you routinely encounter, and now it's making people "pretty".
 
A whole host of drugs. Look up NMDA ant/agonists, MAOIs, and SSRIs.

You can also research pretty much every single illicit street drug out there from marijuana and cocaine to ecstasy and crystal meth. They all target the CNS.

I realize this post is late, but maybe you are still doing your research project.
 
gravenewworld said:
A whole host of drugs. Look up NMDA ant/agonists, MAOIs, and SSRIs.

You can also research pretty much every single illicit street drug out there from marijuana and cocaine to ecstasy and crystal meth. They all target the CNS.

I realize this post is late, but maybe you are still doing your research project.

They're drugs, but not toxins...
 
nismaratwork said:
They're drugs, but not toxins...

Right, and isn't that what the OP is asking for in the title?
 
gravenewworld said:
Right, and isn't that what the OP is asking for in the title?

Yeah, both, I was just making sure that you weren't classifying all pharmaceuticals as 'toxins'... nothing personal, but it does happen.
 
They're drugs, but not toxins...

Many of them have toxic effects though (and these pathways are remarkably similar to other neurotoxic pathways).

E.g. methamphetamine and amphetamine are neurotoxic because they redistribute dopamine in a way that makes the dopamine in a position where it can damage neuron terminals when it auto-oxidizes.

Interestingly enough, cocaine and methylphenidate aren't neurotoxic in the same way (cocaine has neurotoxic mechanisms, but it also happens to upregulate an antioxidant that prevents much of this neurotoxicity from acting). Neurons do get downregulated, but downregulation doesn't imply toxicity.
 
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Many of them have toxic effects though (and these pathways are remarkably similar to other neurotoxic pathways).

E.g. methamphetamine and amphetamine are neurotoxic because they redistribute dopamine in a way that makes the dopamine in a position where it can damage neuron terminals when it auto-oxidizes.

Interestingly enough, cocaine and methylphenidate aren't neurotoxic in the same way (cocaine has neurotoxic mechanisms, but it also happens to upregulate an antioxidant that prevents much of this neurotoxicity from acting). Neurons do get downregulated, but downregulation doesn't imply toxicity.

Many potentially lethal or addictive substances aren't directly neurotoxic, but then, the catastrophic release of dopamine can be. As for moving into position, I'm not sure what you mean unless you're referring to an increased concentration of neurotransmitters in the synaptic cleft?

Anyway, a drug has adverse effects, and a medical use... a toxin is strictly a metabolic byproduct that is damaging, compared with a poison which is toxic out of the gate. Compare SEB (staphylococcal enterotoxin) which is a metabolic product of some strains of Staph, with something frankly anti/pro-cholinergic like an organophosphate on one hand, and spider venom on the other.

Generally the toxic effects of medications are just that; toxins as a byproduct of metabolism, which is in large part why there is a therapeutic "window".
 

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