Drunken Philosophy: Find Meaning in Music & Stoli

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The discussion revolves around the intersection of philosophy and popular music, exploring how song lyrics can prompt philosophical questions and reflections. Participants share humorous and serious takes on the nature of philosophical inquiry, particularly in relation to intoxication and creativity.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that song lyrics can inspire deep philosophical questions, citing examples like "Every rose has its thorn" and "If I could save time in a bottle."
  • Others humorously argue that sober philosophical questions often resemble those posed by inebriated minds.
  • A participant recounts a philosophy teacher's view that philosophy should be approached with careful thought rather than under the influence, while others challenge this notion.
  • There is a playful exploration of how many provocative topics could be posted on a philosophy forum before facing backlash.
  • Some participants reference historical anecdotes about philosophers and their unconventional methods, such as V.S. Ramachandran's fake article and John Nash's game theory insights.
  • Discussion includes a light-hearted mention of the song "Where is my mind?" and its cultural significance, including its connection to NASA's Mars rover.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the role of intoxication in philosophical thought. While some find humor in the idea, others maintain a more traditional view of philosophy as a sober endeavor. The discussion remains unresolved on these points.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various philosophical concepts and anecdotes, but there is no consensus on the validity of the claims made about the nature of philosophy or the impact of intoxication on philosophical inquiry.

  • #31
GeorginaS said:
Then I stared at the electrical outlet and I said to my friends, "I we were moving at the speed of electricity, would we be able to see it?"

I don't know whether that's considered off-beat philosophy or not, but we gave the idea a good long chew nonetheless. *curtsy*

And seeing as how the electrical outlet was probably AC, did you all kind of quiver as if you were having an epileptic fit as an experiment?

(Not that I'm admitting that I did, either, while reading your post.)
 
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  • #32
BobG said:
And seeing as how the electrical outlet was probably AC, did you all kind of quiver as if you were having an epileptic fit as an experiment?

(Not that I'm admitting that I did, either, while reading your post.)

Okay, I had a darned good reason for my mind spontaneously wandering off into odd places. What's your excuse? :wink:
 
  • #33
GeorginaS said:
Okay, I had a darned good reason for my mind spontaneously wandering off into odd places. What's your excuse? :wink:

He's an engineer. o:)
 
  • #34
GeorginaS said:
Almost philosophy, I think, and from a time far, far away and long, long ago, I was sitting around one evening with a couple of friends.
"From a time far, far away, in a galaxy long, long ago, I was sitting around one evening with a couple of friends..."

Now that's jellosophy! :approve:
 
  • #35
I once received an amazing spam email, that I think was almost poetic: the haiku of spam:

Here is the complete text of a spam email I got, offering "Viagra Herbal! SPECIAL ON SPECIAL!"

"A departure stirs a tip. Energy hangs from the bursting wine against the clipped handbook. Energy contracts the due soap past the telling shock. Boost cheats into Energy.""

Oh, and a quote from futurama: "Your grandfather? Stay away from him you dimwitted monkey. You mustn't interfere with the past. Don't do anything that affects anything, unless it turns out you were supposed to do it. In which case. for the love of God, don't not do it!" (Prof Hubert Farnsworth from Futurama) discuss!
 
  • #36
IcedEcliptic said:
"A departure stirs a tip. Energy hangs from the bursting wine against the clipped handbook. Energy contracts the due soap past the telling shock. Boost cheats into Energy."

I remember those. The first time I received one I was in awe. I posted it to my blog.
 
  • #37
Innnteresting.

The cannabis induced twaddle called postmodernism can be synthesized with the http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/1202693125/" .

Perhaps there is another for simulating brain + alcohol = philo. I haven't located howhttp://blog.talkingphilosophy.com/?p=219" identified his synthetic generator, nor if he has been mixing martinis in his hard drive.
 
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  • #38
BobG said:
[PLAIN]http://www.humboldtmathfestival.org/kleinbottle.jpg[/QUOTE]

That's If I could save Klein in a bottle.:biggrin:
 
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  • #39
Math Is Hard said:
He's an engineer. o:)

eek. Pocket protectors come to mind.
 
  • #40
You can say that again.
 
  • #41
Math Is Hard said:
He's an engineer. o:)

Q: How do you tell your engineer is an extrovert?

A: When he talks to you, he stares at your shoes.
 
  • #42
BobG said:
If there's more than two guys and more than two brunettes (in fact, at least as many brunettes as guys) as in the movie, then it's not a true Nash equilibrium. Any of the guys could improve their lot by agreeing to all go for the brunettes, but then switching his choice at the last second ... with the problem that more than one would opt for this strategy.
Game theory is not famous for explaining how players reach an equilibrium, in a step-by-step fashion. Even with one blonde and one brunette, and two guys, how does each guy know which of the two women that the other guy is going to approach, so he should stay away from her? If the guys talk and come up with a plan before they approach the women, is this any longer a "non-cooperative" game?

What game theory is good at is to postulate that if (somehow) one guy ends up with the blonde and the other with the brunette, neither will have an independent reason to change his preference, supposing the other does not change his.
 
  • #43
My worst experience ever at a party was to be cornered by a drunk philosopher...well, a philosophy grad student anyway, so on her way to becoming a philosopher. A lecture on reductionism is no less fun when drunk than sober, by the way. :bugeye:

Edit: Okay, maybe it wasn't the WORST experience ever, but it was memorably unpleasant.
 
  • #44
My finest philosophical moment came when my rel-phil 101 teacher hosted a texas hold 'em game and revealed that he is was a genuine master of the banjo. :)
 
  • #45
Moonbear said:
My worst experience ever at a party was to be cornered by a drunk philosopher...well, a philosophy grad student anyway, so on her way to becoming a philosopher. A lecture on reductionism is no less fun when drunk than sober, by the way. :bugeye:

Edit: Okay, maybe it wasn't the WORST experience ever, but it was memorably unpleasant.

Did you do the 'what did the 5 fingers say to the face?' joke on her? :biggrin:
 
  • #46
cronxeh said:
Did you do the 'what did the 5 fingers say to the face?' joke on her? :biggrin:

:smile: No, by that time of the evening, every time I held up my hand, it had 10 fingers. Instead, I had to wait for someone else to wander too close and then tell her something like, "Oh, I think that person is also a reductionist and would love to hear your thoughts on it."

Okay, I have a drunken philosophy topic inspired by music. Everyone has been posting about Dio's death on Facebook, so how could I not consider something inspired by Dio.

"Rainbows in the Dark." Do they exist? (Please define existence first.) :biggrin:
 
  • #47
How many fingers do reductionists have?
 
  • #48
Math Is Hard said:
How many fingers do reductionists have?
Two fingers of single-malt, please.
 
  • #49
Math Is Hard said:
How many fingers do reductionists have?

Definitely none. They just have collections of molecules that have aggregated into the shape of fingers. :biggrin: (If that's completely wrong, "Blame it on the alcohol.")
 
  • #50
Math Is Hard said:
How many fingers do reductionists have?
Exactly as many as the number they need to summarize the output of their chemical reactions, using the binary system, to the comprehensivist they've just met.
 
  • #51
Math Is Hard said:
How many fingers do reductionists have?

10 more than a solipsist will admit to having.
 

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