Dynamics Question: Acceleration and Tension Calculation

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The discussion revolves around a dynamics problem involving the calculation of acceleration and tension in a system of blocks connected by pulleys. Participants are attempting to analyze the forces acting on the blocks, including static friction, to determine whether the blocks are moving and to calculate the necessary forces.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their approach to the problem, noting that they believe the acceleration and tension can be determined by analyzing the forces acting on the blocks and using static friction to assess movement.
  • Another participant points out that the images provided are difficult to read and suggests that the original poster should describe their work in text to facilitate understanding.
  • Several participants express frustration with the quality of the images and emphasize the importance of clarity in presenting the problem for effective assistance.
  • One participant provides equations related to the forces acting on the blocks, indicating a structured approach to solving for tension and normal forces.
  • A later reply questions the definition of the variable P, seeking clarification on its role in the equilibrium of the system.

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There is no consensus on the correctness of the calculations or the interpretation of the variable P. Participants are engaged in clarifying the problem and the presentation of information rather than reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Participants have noted limitations in the clarity of the images provided, which may affect the ability to fully understand the problem. There is also an emphasis on the need for clear communication in problem statements to facilitate assistance.

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I feel like I've spent way too much time on this problem... So the given information is on the image along with all my work. I am finding the acceleration of the block and the tension in the cable. I know R is going to be the same in all the cords because the pulleys are mass less and we are neglecting friction the pulleys. I first analyzed which way the forces of friction was were applied at each box then I sum of forces in x and y for both blocks but I need to first see if the block is moving. By doing so I used the coefficient of static friction and summed the forces to zero.

So when I solved for P to determine if the block is moving I got -24.55N which is less than 40N, therefore the block is sliding because P <40N.

But the answer to P is -19.04N all my equation are riGht. I verified with the solution key and they match exactly the same but I can't get -19.04N

Homework Equations


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Images are sideways and all but unreadable -- not enough definition/resolution.

Why don't you draw up a larger image and describe the problem and your work in text, in the post (as the forum rules require!)?
 
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Sorry, it's difficult to read your work. It might help if you can take the picture directly overhead instead of an oblique angle. And also turn the page 90 degrees.
 
You'll never make a good spy! :wink:
 
Well I manage to figure out part A and part B of the question... Still let's discuss why my P force is wrong. Let me retake a few pics.

Better?
 

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gneill said:
Images are sideways and all but unreadable -- not enough definition/resolution.

Why don't you draw up a larger image and describe the problem and your work in text, in the post (as the forum rules require!)?
Okay I can do that... Next time. :smile:
 
Better but I'll have to rotate my screen to read.
 
gneill said:
Images are sideways and all but unreadable -- not enough definition/resolution.

Why don't you draw up a larger image and describe the problem and your work in text, in the post (as the forum rules require!)?
Not trying to be a smarty pants but that's why you rotate the image and zoom into identify the images and calculatuons.
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Better but I'll have to rotate my screen to read.
Let me try to rotate the images...
 
How's that?
 

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ME_student said:
Not trying to be a smarty pants but that's why you rotate the image and zoom into identify the images and calculatuons.
Hey, you're here for FREE help from volunteer experts. Doing what you can to make their life easier to help you would seem to be the smart play.

That's one reason why the rules require the template format and discourage image-only problem and solution statements. Helpers should not have to work hard to understand the question being posed -- a simple read of the a text problem statement with perhaps a visible embedded image to clarify should be sufficient to grok the situation.

I know that many helpers will simply pass over posts that require too much effort to get to the problem. They prefer to go on to posts where the member has made the effort up front.
 
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Starting with block A

Sum of the forces in x direction, right being plus (+)
Equation 1: -T-mu_s*FN1-MU_s*FN2+W_A*sin (25)+Pcos (25)=0
Zero because the block is static.

Sum of the forces in y direction, up being plus (+)
Equation 2: FN1-FN2-W_A*cos (25)+P*cos (25)=0 Now looking at block B

Sum of the forces in y direction
Equation 3: FN2-W_B*cos (25)=0
Zero because we are trying to determine if the blocks will slide.

Sum of the forces in x direction
Equation 4: -T+Fm2+W_b*sin (25)=0

We can now solve for FN2 and T

So once I solve for T and FN2 I use equation 1 and 2 to solve for P
 

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Your free body diagrams look good but what exactly is P now? This is some unknown minimum horizontal force required to hold the whole thing in equilibrium?
 

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