Early cosmic inflation and the expansion of the universe.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the early inflationary phase of the Big Bang and its implications for the expansion of the universe. Participants explore the relationship between inflation, the momentum of cosmic expansion, and the observed Hubble flow, raising questions about the dynamics of expansion post-inflation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant posits that inflation provided the initial 'push' for the universe's expansion, questioning why the expansion is not significantly faster today.
  • Another participant clarifies that while inflation was rapid, its effects were relative to the universe's size at that time, and gravity contributed to slowing the expansion afterwards.
  • A participant discusses the Hubble parameter, suggesting it was much larger at the end of inflation compared to now, estimating a factor of 10^58 increase in the expansion rate.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the size of the universe during inflation, realizing that inflation ended at a much smaller scale, which affects the perceived local velocities of different regions.
  • Another participant challenges the initial estimate of the Hubble parameter, arguing that it would imply the observable universe was compressed to a Planck length, suggesting a more reasonable scale of 400µm instead.
  • A later reply corrects an earlier mistake regarding the change in expansion rate versus the change in scale factor, indicating a refinement in the understanding of the calculations involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of inflation for the current expansion rate of the universe, with some calculations being contested. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the expansion dynamics post-inflation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their calculations and assumptions, particularly regarding the definitions of size and the relationship between expansion rates and scale factors.

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My question is regarding the early inflationary phase of the Big Bang. As I understand it, inflation is what gave rise to the expansion energy of the universe. Meaning, inflation gave the 'push' so to speak that set the everything moving apart. This makes sense because obviously the universe has a tremendous amount of energy behind it's expansion. However, I am confused about a certain point...

If inflation is the mechanism behind the momentum of the expansion of the universe, then shouldn't the universe be expanding WAY more quickly. As I understand it, inflation was extremely rapid. So, when inflation 'shut off' what slowed down the expansion to what we observe with the Hubble flow? I realize without inflation the universe will stop doubling exponentially, but it seems something had to 'put on the brakes'. What am I missing? Thanks.
 
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Be careful with the scale of expansion. Inflation was very quick, but only relative to the size of the universe at that time. Afterwards, gravity slowed it a bit, and some billion years ago the expansion accelerated again (but that effect is small compared to the other scales). I'm not sure how fast exactly expansion was, but it does not have to be much quicker than today.
 
The Hubble parameter gives the relative expansion rate of the universe, i.e., the rate of expansion divided by size. Assuming the scale of the universe has increased by a factor of 10^30 since inflation ended, I calculate that Hubble parameter was about 10^58 times larger at the end of inflation than it is now.
 
Oh, I see, that is the source of my misunderstanding then. I had assumed that the universe had achieved a fairly comparable size during inflation. But it makes sense that it shut off at a much smaller scale (many orders of magnitude) this of course allows the relative velocities of different regions to all spread out, and appear slower locally, as we see today. Thanks so much.
 
George Jones said:
The Hubble parameter gives the relative expansion rate of the universe, i.e., the rate of expansion divided by size. Assuming the scale of the universe has increased by a factor of 10^30 since inflation ended, I calculate that Hubble parameter was about 10^58 times larger at the end of inflation than it is now.
Hmm, I think your estimate is a bit off, because that would fit the entire observable universe within a single Planck length at the end of inflation.
 
Chalnoth said:
Hmm, I think your estimate is a bit off, because that would fit the entire observable universe within a single Planck length at the end of inflation.
I get 400µm. 40 billion light years / 10^30

Give or take a factor of 2 for radius vs. diameter, definition of size and so on, but that is far away from the Planck scale.
 
mfb said:
I get 400µm. 40 billion light years / 10^30

Give or take a factor of 2 for radius vs. diameter, definition of size and so on, but that is far away from the Planck scale.
Ugh, sorry. My mistake. I was taking the change in expansion rate rather than the change in scale factor.

That sounds much more reasonable.
 

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