Earth and Acceleration due to gravity

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The discussion revolves around the acceleration due to gravity on Earth, considering its shape as an oblate spheroid due to its rotation. The original poster presents a problem involving calculations of gravitational acceleration at the North Pole and the equator, as well as the behavior of pendulums at these locations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of gravitational acceleration using the formula g = GM/R^2 and consider the effects of Earth's rotation on these calculations. Some express uncertainty about incorporating centripetal acceleration into their calculations. Others question the definitions and implications of angular velocity and its relation to centripetal acceleration.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the calculations required for the problem, with some participants providing equations and discussing their relevance. However, there is no explicit consensus on the methods to be used, and several participants express confusion about specific concepts and calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the textbook may not have covered certain equations related to angular velocity and centripetal acceleration, leading to questions about their application in this context. Additionally, there is mention of the practical implications of Earth's shape and how it affects gravitational calculations.

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Homework Statement


Earth is commonly thought of as a sphere, but this is not true. because of Earth's spin, it closely resembles an oblate spheroid, which is just a fancy name for "shaped like a squashed orange". The effect of this spin is a tidal bulge that forms at the equator so that the equatorial radius of Earth is about 21 km greater than the polar radius of 6370 km. The mass of the Earth is 5.979 x 10^24 kg.
a) Calculate the acceleration due to gravity at the north pole using the definition of gravitational field.
b) The acceleration due to gravity at the equator is different from that at the North Pole because the radius is 21 km longer and because of the spinning of the earth. use the definition of gravitational field and centripetal acceleration to calculate the acceleration due to gravity at the equator.
c) A 1.00 m pendulum with a 500 g bob is constructed at the equator. An identical pendulum is constructed at the North Pole. They are set to oscillate at the same time, with identical amplitudes. Which pendulum will make the most swings in a time of exactly 8 minutes? Support your answer.


Homework Equations


acceleration due to gravity= GM/R^2
G= 6.67 x 10^-11
Centripetal acceleration= V^2/r


The Attempt at a Solution


a)g=GM/r^2
= (6.67x10^-11)(5.979x10^24) / (6370000m)
=9.828 m/s^2
I think I did this part of the question right, since the answer makes sense to me.

b)Using the same equation as the first, and adding on 21 km to the radius, I got the answer of 9.764 m/s^2 Now, the question says to also use centripetal acceleration to answer it. I'm not sure how to combine that, so that is where I am stuck.

c) I didn't want to attempt this until I get the right answer for the first two. I'm not sure what equation I use for this, though?
 
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ahrog said:
b)Using the same equation as the first, and adding on 21 km to the radius, I got the answer of 9.764 m/s^2 Now, the question says to also use centripetal acceleration to answer it. I'm not sure how to combine that, so that is where I am stuck.

At the equator there is centrifugal acceleration outward that would be figured as ω²r that would subtract from your gravitational value.
 
ahrog said:
c) I didn't want to attempt this until I get the right answer for the first two. I'm not sure what equation I use for this, though?

The period for a pendulum is generally T = 2π(l/g)1/2
 
Either I don't recall or the textbook didn't go over the ω²r equation. What exactly does the ω stand for?

Thanks for the second equation, I will use it as soon as I get the first two questions done.
 
ahrog said:
Either I don't recall or the textbook didn't go over the ω²r equation. What exactly does the ω stand for?

Thanks for the second equation, I will use it as soon as I get the first two questions done.

dθ/dt = ω = v/r

v²/r = ω²r

ω = 2πf
 
I'm sorry (I must be dumb) I still don't understand.
 
ahrog said:
I'm sorry (I must be dumb) I still don't understand.

An object at the equator is rotating at the radius of the Earth at that point.

However you want to calculate the acceleration - an acceleration that acts opposite to the gravitational acceleration at that point - then choose one method or another.
 
ahrog said:

Homework Statement


Earth is commonly thought of as a sphere, but this is not true. because of Earth's spin, it closely resembles an oblate spheroid, which is just a fancy name for "shaped like a squashed orange". The effect of this spin is a tidal bulge that forms at the equator so that the equatorial radius of Earth is about 21 km greater than the polar radius of 6370 km. The mass of the Earth is 5.979 x 10^24 kg...

For all practical purposes, the Earth can be thought of as simply "spherical". An increase in radius at the equator of 21 km is a mere deviation from its spherical radius of less than .33%, which yields deviations in calculations that are commonly negligible.
 
ahrog said:
I still don't understand.

Another way to calculate this is from the v2/r equation to figure out how much the acceleration is reduced due to the centripetal acceleration. You'll need to figure out what v is at the equator first.
 
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LowlyPion said:
dθ/dt = ω = v/r

v²/r = ω²r

ω = 2πf

Hes just confusing you, ω is the angular velocity ω=[tex]\Delta[/tex][tex]\theta[/tex]/[tex]\Delta[/tex]T which can be used to calculate the velocity v=rω, or in this case v²/r = ω²r which simplifies down to ac= ω²r (ac=angular acceleration)

V=2[tex]\pi[/tex]r/T
[tex]\Rightarrow[/tex] ac=((2[tex]\pi[/tex]r/T)^2)/r
[tex]\Rightarrow[/tex] (4[tex]\pi[/tex]^2r^2)/T^2r
[tex]\Rightarrow[/tex] since ω=[tex]\Delta[/tex][tex]\theta[/tex]/[tex]\Delta[/tex]T
then ac=ω²r
 
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