Earth's rotational speed in the past.

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The discussion revolves around the Earth's rotational speed in the past, its current motion, and the relative speeds of the Earth and the Moon. Participants explore various aspects of celestial mechanics, including the Earth's rotation, the Moon's distance and speed, and the Earth's movement through space, including its orbit around the Sun and the Milky Way galaxy.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the Earth's period of rotation is currently slowing at a rate of 1.5 milliseconds per century.
  • Others mention that the Moon is receding from the Earth at a rate of 3.8 cm per year and suggest using Kepler's Laws to find changes in its orbital speed.
  • One participant calculates the Earth's orbital speed around the Sun, estimating it to be approximately 108,000 km/h based on gravitational equations.
  • Another participant expresses interest in their relative speed, including the Sun's orbit in its solar cluster and the galaxy's motion, seeking a comprehensive speed in mph.
  • A calculation is presented estimating the Earth's speed as it orbits the Milky Way galaxy to be roughly 845,000 km/h.
  • A participant shares a mnemonic poem about the various motions of the Earth and the Sun, highlighting the complexity of these movements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple viewpoints and calculations regarding the Earth's and Moon's speeds, as well as the complexities of relative motion through space. No consensus is reached on the exact values or implications of these speeds.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include assumptions about reference points for measuring speed, such as considering the Sun stationary, and the calculations rely on approximations and simplifications that may not account for all variables involved.

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I was hoping to discover how the current rotational speed of the Earth differs from the past. I'm also curious about the moon's relative distance and orbital speed in the past. And can anyone tell me how fast I am currently moving through space, given all of the variables involved.
 
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Dana Dedrick said:
I was hoping to discover how the current rotational speed of the Earth differs from the past.
At present, the Earth's period of rotation slows at a rate of 1.5 milliseconds per century.
I'm also curious about the moon's relative distance and orbital speed in the past.
At present, the Moon is receding from the Earth at 3.8 cm per year. You can find the change in orbital speed by applying Kepler's Laws to this.
And can anyone tell me how fast I am currently moving through space, given all of the variables involved.

Relative to what reference?
 
Janus said:
Relative to what reference?

As Janus pointed out that question is actually an incredibly important detail and the foundation of Einstein's relativity theory. But I'm going to assume the answer you're looking for is how fast is the Earth moving around the sun if we consider the sun to be stationary (correct me if I'm wrong). In which case we have:

[tex]\frac{mv^2}{r}=\frac{GMm}{r^2} \rightarrow v = \sqrt{\frac{GM}{r}}[/tex] where M is the mass of the sun (approximately 2*10^30) and r is approximately one AU (Astronomical unit = 149*10^9 meters). Therefore, the Earth's orbital speed relative to a stationary sun is approximately:

[tex]\sqrt{\frac{(6.67\times10^{-11})(2\times10^{30})}{149\times10^9}} \approx 30 000 m/s = 108 000 km/h[/tex]

So 108,000 km/h. We can double check this by seeing that:

[tex]\omega = \frac{v}{r} = \frac{30 000}{149\times10^9} \approx 2\times10^{-7}[/tex]

and since [tex]T=\frac{2\pi}{\omega}=\frac{2\pi}{2\times10^{-7}} \approx 3.12\times10^7 s[/tex]

Therefore, by the velocity we calculated it takes 3.12*10^7 seconds for the Earth to revolve around the sun once which is approximately 361 days (remember we rounded pretty much everything a fair bit).
 
Thank you for the information! My curiosity as to my relative speed includes the sun's orbit in its solar cluster, the galaxy arm's relative speed and the galaxy's motion itself. My relative speed in mph. all things considered. Thanks!
 
Well a cosmic year (the approximate time it takes our solar system to rotate once around the milky way galaxy) is approximately 225 million years (= 1.971*10^12 hours) and the Earth's approximate distance from the center of the milky way is 28,000 light years (2.649*10^17 km) so:

[tex]T=\frac{2\pi}{\omega} = \frac{2\pi r}{v} \rightarrow v = \frac{2\pi r}{T} = \frac{2\pi (2.649\times10^{17})}{1.97\times10^{12}}=845 000 km/h[/tex]

So the Earth is orbiting the milkyway of a speed that is roughly 845 000km/hr
 
A good way to remember the motions was described by the noted cosmologist E Idle.

Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of the galaxy we call the "Milky Way".

It doesn't descibe the motion of the galaxy through the local virgo supercluster - either this wasn't well known in the 70s or just didn't ryhme!
 
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