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The discussion centers on Sylow's Second Theorem, which states that for a group G and a prime p, if H and K are p-Sylow subgroups, then there exists an element g in G such that H = gKg-1. Participants clarify that conjugation acts transitively on the set of p-Sylow subgroups and confirm that conjugation of a p-Sylow subgroup always results in another p-Sylow subgroup. Additionally, it is established that if there is exactly one p-Sylow subgroup, it is characteristic, meaning its image under any automorphism remains a p-Sylow subgroup.

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So Sylow's second theorem tells us that if G is a group, p a prime, and H,K are both p-Sylow subgroups, then \exists g \in G such that H = gKg^{-1}. Now I have some questions about this, because I don't think I've ever properly understood the consequences of this theorem.

My issue I think is really the act of conjugation. Namely, this theorem states that we can always relate two p-Sylow subgroups via conjugation, but is it really more that conjugation is a transitive group action on the set of p-Sylow subgroups?

This may sound silly, but we always say that if there is precisely one p-Sylow subgroup, it must be normal right? But the way that I've always read this is that we can only be assured that there is a single element g \in G such that gPg^{-1} = P and that this needn't hold for all g \in G. So I guess what I'm asking is, does conjugation of a p-Sylow subgroup ALWAYS yield another p-Sylow subgroup? This would then clear up a lot of my confusion.
 
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Hi Kreizhn! :smile:

Kreizhn said:
So Sylow's second theorem tells us that if G is a group, p a prime, and H,K are both p-Sylow subgroups, then \exists g \in G such that H = gKg^{-1}. Now I have some questions about this, because I don't think I've ever properly understood the consequences of this theorem.

My issue I think is really the act of conjugation. Namely, this theorem states that we can always relate two p-Sylow subgroups via conjugation, but is it really more that conjugation is a transitive group action on the set of p-Sylow subgroups?

Yes, that's exactly what the theorem says. It says that the conjugation action acts transitively on the p-Sylows.

This may sound silly, but we always say that if there is precisely one p-Sylow subgroup, it must be normal right? But the way that I've always read this is that we can only be assured that there is a single element g \in G such that gPg^{-1} = P and that this needn't hold for all g \in G. So I guess what I'm asking is, does conjugation of a p-Sylow subgroup ALWAYS yield another p-Sylow subgroup? This would then clear up a lot of my confusion.

Yes, the image of a p-Sylow under any automorphism (example a conjuection) is always a p-Sylow. This is true since automorphisms preserve the order of the group. That is, if a group has order pk, then the image under an automorphism will still have order pk.
This shows in general that if there is precisly one p-Sylow, then it is characteristic (i.e. its image under any automorphism is again the p-Sylow)
 
Excellent. Thanks.
 

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