Economics: IRR vs NPV - Comparing Projects A and C

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The discussion revolves around comparing two investment projects, A and C, using financial metrics such as Internal Rate of Return (IRR) and Net Present Value (NPV). Participants explore the implications of these metrics in decision-making, particularly in the context of project selection based on cash flow patterns and investment recovery.

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Main Points Raised

  • Participant M questions why project A is considered preferable despite having a lower NPV compared to project C, noting that the IRR cannot be used for ranking across projects.
  • Some participants suggest that the IRR may be overstated for projects with large early cash flows, indicating that the timing of cash flows affects the comparison between IRR and NPV.
  • One participant points out that IRR indicates the discount rate at which NPV equals zero, but emphasizes the difficulty in comparing investments solely based on IRR when cash flow timings differ significantly.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of Incremental Rate of Return (IRR) and suggests using Incremental Analysis to determine which project maximizes the Net Present Worth (NPW) when comparing projects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of using IRR and NPV for project comparison, with no consensus reached on the best method for evaluating projects A and C.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of IRR being discussed, particularly whether it refers to Internal Rate of Return or Incremental Rate of Return. Additionally, the discussion highlights the complexity of comparing projects with different cash flow patterns and the implications for investment decision-making.

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Hello,

I've had an intro economics course recently and there are still a couple of questions unanswered.

One of the examples given where a handfull of projects with an initial investment and positive cash flows the following years. The question was which project is preferable when looking at IRR, NPV and a couple of other tools.

It was decided that the first two methods where most important and that project A and C looked most promising. Both had the same initial investment.
A: high first cashflow, moderate cashflow for a few years, then none anymore
C: low but stable cashflow throughout into the future

A: IRR ~13% NPV ~18
C: IRR ~10% NPV ~23

I only wrote down a few advantages and disadvantages for both methods and the remark that project A is preferable to C. The question is why? The IRR I learned cannot be used for ranking across projects and the NPV is lower. Maybe because the initial investment is paid back quicker or are there other arguments for that? I know I should have asked the lecturer, but he was speeding so quickly through his slides that I just tried to keep up with taking notes and id not really think about what he was saying.

Thanks a lot for any hints.
M.
 
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Many will say that this is because IRR assumes reinvestment at the IRR rate, but it is not quite correct. However, for projects with large early cashflows it will be overstated relative to NPV. The basic idea is that one would rather have an investment that compounded at 15% for ten years than one that returned 20% in one year and then would have to be re-invested.
 
This page has a good explanation:
http://hspm.sph.sc.edu/COURSES/ECON/Invest/invest.html

In essence, the IRR reports the discount rate at which the NPV would be zero, but it's hard to compare investments on the basis of IRR only if the relative timings of payments differ significantly, because the NPV zero point may not tell much about the value at other discount rates.
 
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martine said:
Hello,

I've had an intro economics course recently and there are still a couple of questions unanswered.

One of the examples given where a handfull of projects with an initial investment and positive cash flows the following years. The question was which project is preferable when looking at IRR, NPV and a couple of other tools.

It was decided that the first two methods where most important and that project A and C looked most promising. Both had the same initial investment.
A: high first cashflow, moderate cashflow for a few years, then none anymore
C: low but stable cashflow throughout into the future

A: IRR ~13% NPV ~18
C: IRR ~10% NPV ~23

I only wrote down a few advantages and disadvantages for both methods and the remark that project A is preferable to C. The question is why? The IRR I learned cannot be used for ranking across projects and the NPV is lower. Maybe because the initial investment is paid back quicker or are there other arguments for that? I know I should have asked the lecturer, but he was speeding so quickly through his slides that I just tried to keep up with taking notes and id not really think about what he was saying.

Thanks a lot for any hints.
M.

If by IRR you mean Incremental Rate of Return and not Internal Rate of Return, then you'll select the project that has an IRR greater than your MARR. When comparing projects one typically uses Incremental Analysis to determine which one maximizes the NPW of the alternatives.

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