Educational paper and video, Bertozzi, "The Ultimate Speed"

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The discussion revolves around an educational paper and film by Bertozzi titled "The Ultimate Speed," which explores the limitations of accelerating material objects beyond the speed of light (c) using high-energy electrons. Participants share their thoughts on the content, presentation, and educational value of both the paper and the film, which includes experimental demonstrations related to special relativity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant highlights the paper and film as a demonstration that material objects cannot be accelerated past c, referencing the experimental setup and results.
  • Another participant appreciates the film as an excellent demonstration, despite its dry presentation.
  • Several participants reminisce about older technology, such as mechanical analog computers and oscilloscopes, indicating a nostalgic connection to the methods used in the film.
  • A participant notes the film's effectiveness in explaining the relevance of energy measurement, suggesting it serves as good teaching material.
  • There is a mention of the film's lack of humor compared to other educational films from the same era, indicating varying expectations of educational content.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the educational value of the film and paper, though opinions vary regarding the presentation style and engagement level of the material. No consensus on the overall effectiveness of the film versus the paper is reached.

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Some participants express nostalgia for older educational tools and methods, which may influence their perspectives on the current material. There is also mention of copyright concerns regarding access to the paper.

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Readers interested in the educational approaches to teaching special relativity, historical physics experiments, or those with a nostalgia for traditional scientific methods may find this discussion valuable.

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I thought others might be interested in an old educational paper and fim demonstrating that you can't accelerate material objects past c.

Bertozzi, Speed and kinetic energy of relativistic electrons, Am. J. Phys. 32 (1964) 551

The Ultimate Speed - An Exploration with High Energy Electrons -

Abstract: Using a Van de Graaff electrostatic generator and a linear accelerator, the speeds of electrons with kinetic energies in the range 0.5-15 MeV are determined by measuring the time required for the electrons to traverse a given distance. The measurements show the existence of a limiting speed in accord with the results of special relativity. The kinetic energy, determined by calorimetry, verifies that an electric field exerts a force on a moving electron in its direction of motion that is independent of its speed.

The film is honestly pretty dull -- it doesn't have the sense of humor that I associate with the old PSSC films from that period. It is nice, however, as a way of showing people very concretely what happens when you try to accelerate a material object past c. It makes it clear that this isn't just a matter of speculation. You can see all the hardware, cables, etc.

The paper is easy to find online, although possibly illegally if your country's copyright laws are as repressive as mine.
 
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Ben, that's very cool indeed. I had never seen anything like that. A bit dry, as you say, but an excellent demonstration. Thanks for posting.
 
Nice use of a mechanical analog computer.
 
Brought back memories of old oscilloscopes with hoods, slide rules and hand drawn graphs. Thanks.
 
Very nice; every time I thought, "But wait, what about..." (e.g., the timing paths to the scope) he was on it in the next moment (equal length cables - that he verified!).

And white socks, no lab coat... :)
 
nsaspook said:
Nice use of a mechanical analog computer.
I have a stash of some 30 slide rules. Kids miss out on a lot of insight by not learning slide rule. :)
 
bcrowell said:
I thought others might be interested in an old educational paper and fim demonstrating that you can't accelerate material objects past c.

Bertozzi, Speed and kinetic energy of relativistic electrons, Am. J. Phys. 32 (1964) 551

The Ultimate Speed - An Exploration with High Energy Electrons -

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That's nice, I did not know that there's a movie related to the paper - and now on Youtube. :)
 
I now watched the movie and I find it more instructive than the paper because the relevance of the energy measurement is better explained and even elaborated. This is very good teaching material.
 

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