EFE: Why is there a curvature tensor and curvature scalar?

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The discussion centers on the role of the curvature tensor and curvature scalar in the Einstein field equations (EFE) of general relativity. The curvature scalar is identified as the contraction of the Ricci tensor, while the Riemann-Christoffel curvature tensor serves as the fundamental curvature. The unique combination of curvatures in the Einstein tensor, expressed as G^{\mu\nu} = R^{\mu\nu} - \frac{1}{2}R g^{\mu\nu}, ensures the divergence-free condition, \nabla_\mu G^{\mu\nu} = 0. The constants in the EFE, specifically 8π, arise from matching general relativity predictions with Newtonian gravity in low-field limits.

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In the Einstein tensor equation for general relativity, why are there two terms for curvature: specifically the curvature tensor and the curvature scalar multiplied by the metric tensor?
 
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PerpStudent said:
In the Einstein tensor equation for general relativity, why are there two terms for curvature: specifically the curvature tensor and the curvature scalar multiplied by the metric tensor?
When the Einstein-Hilbert action is extremized wrt the inverse metric, that is what emerges. See here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein–Hilbert_action.

Are you aware that the curvature scalar is the contraction of the Ricci tensor, so R = Rμμ.
 
Hi PerpStudent! :smile:

Because the traceless symmetric part of Aij is Aij - 1/4 tr(A) gij.

Any tensor equation can be "traced" and "tracelesssed".

ie the trace of the equation is true, and the traceless symmetric part of the equation is true.

So in the Einstein field equations we expect …

R = constant*T

Rij - 1/4 R gij = constant* (Tij - 1/4 T gij)​

(and it turns out the constants have to be -8π and 8π, to give the Newtonian inverse-square law in the low-field limit)
 
PerpStudent said:
In the Einstein tensor equation for general relativity, why are there two terms for curvature: specifically the curvature tensor and the curvature scalar multiplied by the metric tensor?

There's only one independent / fundamental curvature, namely the Riemann-Christoffel curvature tensor. The so-called Ricci curvature and the curvature scalar are simply contractions of the 4th rank tensor with respect with the metric once and twice, respectively. They are susequently derived concepts.

One can write down the EFE in terms of the Riemann-Christoffel curvature tensor only (in the absence of matter) as:

g^{\mu \alpha}R_{\mu \nu|\alpha \beta}-\frac{1}{2}g_{\nu \beta}g^{\mu \alpha}g^{\lambda \sigma}R_{\mu \lambda|\alpha \sigma} = 0

but it won't look pretty, that's why the Ricci curvature tensor and the Ricci scalar are put into GR.
 
The "reason" the particular combination

G^{\mu\nu} \equiv R^{\mu\nu} - \frac12 R g^{\mu\nu}
appears is because is this the unique combination of curvatures that satisfies

\nabla_\mu G^{\mu\nu} = 0.
 
Ben Niehoff said:
The "reason" the particular combination

G^{\mu\nu} \equiv R^{\mu\nu} - \frac12 R g^{\mu\nu}
appears is because is this the unique combination of curvatures that satisfies

\nabla_\mu G^{\mu\nu} = 0.

To expand on this , Einstein's equation says that G_uv = 8 pi T_uv, where T_uv is the stress-energy tensor.

Continuiity conditions on the stress-energy tensor, T_uv require that
\nabla_\mu T^{\mu\nu} = 0. i.e. that the tensor be divergence free.

So since T_uv, the rhs is divergence free, the lhs has to be divergence free as well.
 
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pervect, ben, as a matter of interest, do you know any easy-to-understand reason why it's 8π ?

4π I'm more or less used to (and even 4π 10-7 :rolleyes:) …

but why 8 ? :confused:
 
My 2ç. There's no <physical> reason, the "extra" 2 comes from the 1/2 of the Christoffel symbols which has to do with the metric being assumed torsionless and symmetric.
 
tiny-tim said:
pervect, ben, as a matter of interest, do you know any easy-to-understand reason why it's 8π ?

4π I'm more or less used to (and even 4π 10-7 :rolleyes:) …

but why 8 ? :confused:

The constant comes from matching the Einstein Field Equations to the Newtonian equation for gravitation in the low speed, low gravity case (makes sure that General Relativity gives the same predictions in this case as Newtonian gravity).
 
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pervect said:
To expand on this , Einstein's equation says that G_uv = 8 pi T_uv, where T_uv is the stress-energy tensor.

Continuiity conditions on the stress-energy tensor, T_uv require that
\nabla_\mu T^{\mu\nu} = 0. i.e. that the tensor be divergence free.

So since T_uv, the rhs is divergence free, the lhs has to be divergence free as well.

Is the requirement that \nabla_\mu T^{\mu\nu} = 0. due to energy and momentum conservation?
 
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PerpStudent said:
Is the requirement that \nabla_\mu T^{\mu\nu} = 0. due to energy and momentum conservation?

No, see the reason in the my post above this one.
 
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PerpStudent said:
Is the requirement that \nabla_\mu T^{\mu\nu} = 0. due to energy and momentum conservation?

It's very closely related.

You can think of it as being due to energy and momentum conservation in a local sense, i.e. at a point.

See for instance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuity_equation

I'm pretty sure Wald and MTW discuss this with more rigor - I'd have to look stuff up to refresh my recollection to give any real detail, at least if I wanted to avoid misleading anyone.
 

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