Effeciency and Current Relationship

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around an investigation into the relationship between current and the efficiency of an immersion heater, specifically examining how changes in current affect efficiency as measured by temperature changes in a calorimeter. The original poster hypothesizes that increased current would lead to decreased efficiency based on the formula P=I^2R, but their experimental results suggest otherwise.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of resistance changes with temperature, the stability of calorimeter temperature during measurements, and the appropriateness of the power formulas used. Questions arise about the consistency of resistance and the impact of experimental conditions on results.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing questions that may lead to deeper understanding. Some have suggested reconsidering the assumptions about resistance and efficiency, while others have noted the need for clearer measurement protocols. There is no explicit consensus yet, but the dialogue is productive.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the resistance of the heater was maintained at a near-constant value, but there are concerns about how temperature affects resistance. The original poster acknowledges potential issues with the experimental setup, such as not allowing sufficient time for temperature stabilization between measurements.

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Homework Statement



I'm doing an investigation for my physics class, where we were told to investigate the relationship between current flowing through and the efficiency of an immersion heater. My hypothesis was that as current increased, the efficiency would decrease due to the relationship P=I^2R, where as current is doubled, the power loss would quadruple.

The way I conducted the experiment was to use a power pack connected to an immersion heater inside a calorimeter and measured the rise in temperature of the water over 2 minutes. I then raised the voltage, which increased the current and recorded the new change in temperature.

I then compared the heat absorbed by the calorimeter and the water inside it using the equation q=mcT versus the actual power emitted from the power pack. What I found was that as the current rose, the efficiency actually increased, seen in the data below.

Average Current (A)

0.616

1.206

1.834

2.445

3.046Average Energy Supplied (J)
(P=W/t)

55.

238

653

1349

2356

Average Energy Required (J)
(q=mcT)

140

564

1284

2346

3655

Average Efficiency (%)
(Efficiency = (Energy output/ energy input) x 100)

39

42

50

57

64

Does anybody know why the efficiency would actually increase when the current was raised?
(sorry for the data being spread out, I couldn't find out how to insert a table)

Homework Equations



P=VI
P=I^R
P=W/t
Q=mcT
(Efficiency = (Energy output/ energy input) x 100)

The Attempt at a Solution



The only reason I can think of for the efficiency increasing would be having something to do with how we did not maintain the same voltage throughout the experiemnt, otherwise I'm reeally not sure.

Thanks in advance
 
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Here are some questions to consider. They may lead you to an answer.

Was the resistance of the heater constant regardless of temperature and current?
Was the calorimeter temperature still rising at the end of the 2 minute measurement period?
If so, was it rising at the same rate regardless of the input power?
TKrantz said:
...did not maintain the same voltage throughout the experiemnt...
Is there another formula than the one you used for computing the power (energy) delivered to the heater?
 
Tom.G said:
Here are some questions to consider. They may lead you to an answer.

Was the resistance of the heater constant regardless of temperature and current?
Was the calorimeter temperature still rising at the end of the 2 minute measurement period?
If so, was it rising at the same rate regardless of the input power?

Is there another formula than the one you used for computing the power (energy) delivered to the heater?

Yes, the resistance was kept the same at 3.28 Ohms.
We stopped recording data after the 2 minute period, so any heating after that would not affect the results.

The other formula for power would be P=V^2/R, so does that mean that the efficiency was increased through the increase in voltage of the circuit?
 
TKrantz said:
Yes, the resistance was kept the same at 3.28 Ohms.
I asked this because practically all materials change resistance with temperature, some a little, some a lot. So is this a measurement or an assumption?

TKrantz said:
The other formula for power would be P=V^2/R, so does that mean that the efficiency was increased through the increase in voltage of the circuit?
There is one more formula for power that does not require constant resistance. It could be useful here.

TKrantz said:
We stopped recording data after the 2 minute period, so any heating after that would not affect the results.
Did the calorimeter temperature stabilize between measurements at different power levels?
 
Tom.G said:
I asked this because practically all materials change resistance with temperature, some a little, some a lot. So is this a measurement or an assumption?

Sorry, yes it was calculated, it did change slightly but across the whole experiment it stayed at between 3.27 and 3.28 Ohms
Tom.G said:
There is one more formula for power that does not require constant resistance. It could be useful here.

I'm not sure if I know that one, are you referring to P=VI?
Tom.G said:
Did the calorimeter temperature stabilize between measurements at different power levels?

Ahh yes ok, we didn't leave much time between increasing the voltages so the remaining heat in the heater could have influenced the recorded heating of the water.
 
TKrantz said:
are you referring to P=VI?
Yes, that's the one.
Apparently you calculated the resistance from the voltage/current then used the resistance to calculate power. That works, it just wasn't clear to me from the description.

TKrantz said:
Ahh yes ok, we didn't leave much time between increasing the voltages so the remaining heat in the heater could have influenced the recorded heating of the water.
And this one covers the other likelyhood.
Good Show!

I would be curious to know your results after you modify the experimental procedure. If convenient, please post any new results you get/procedures you use.
 
TKrantz said:
My hypothesis was that as current increased, the efficiency would decrease due to the relationship P=I^2R, where as current is doubled, the power loss would quadruple.

What power loss?
You are transforming electrical energy into thermal energy - There really is nowhere to lose energy. Even if the element glows and generates some light, that energy will become heat within the system. Googling 'Electrical heater efficiency' will likely be enlightening...

TKrantz said:
it did change slightly but across the whole experiment it stayed at between 3.27 and 3.28 Ohms
I assume you didn't measure the resistance of a live circuit (don't, it won't give a correct reading and can destroy your meter), so we still don't know the resistance when the element is hot (and it'll change with varying voltage as the current & temp. varies), which is why you really need to measure the current to get decent results. Doing that, along with waiting for the water temp. to stabilise will likely give much better results.
 
billy_joule said:
What power loss?
You are transforming electrical energy into thermal energy - There really is nowhere to lose energy. Even if the element glows and generates some light, that energy will become heat within the system. Googling 'Electrical heater efficiency' will likely be enlightening...

I see, so would that mean that increasing the current shouldn't really affect the efficiency of the heater, as pretty much all of the energy should be going into the water anyway? The only problem that may arise from that was that the heater I was using was only a substitute immersion heater made from wrapping 30cm of steel wire around a piece of plastic, which I would assume wouldn't be very efficient.

billy_joule said:
I assume you didn't measure the resistance of a live circuit (don't, it won't give a correct reading and can destroy your meter), so we still don't know the resistance when the element is hot (and it'll change with varying voltage as the current & temp. varies), which is why you really need to measure the current to get decent results. Doing that, along with waiting for the water temp. to stabilise will likely give much better results.

Yeah sorry I wasn't very clear, the data for resistance that I got was found through using V=IR, as I knew the voltage and current going through the circuit, so I could find the resistance of the circuit.
 

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