Effect of radius on transient heat xfer from pipe in semi-infinite soil

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The discussion revolves around the effect of pipe radius on transient heat transfer from a pipe embedded in semi-infinite soil, particularly in the context of ground source heat pumps (GSHP). Participants explore hypotheses regarding heat transfer rates, the influence of pipe diameter, and the thermal dynamics involved in the surrounding soil.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant hypothesizes that GSHP ground loops never reach steady state due to the large thermal mass of surrounding soil and the comparable time constants of temperature gradients and seasonal changes.
  • Another participant suggests that while a larger pipe diameter will increase heat transfer to the soil, the increase will be less than proportional (less than 1:1), indicating that doubling the diameter will not result in twice the heat transfer.
  • A participant challenges the assumption that heat transfer will not double with diameter increase, arguing that doubling the diameter increases surface area, potentially leading to more than double the heat transfer if the thermal conductivity of the soil is lower than that of the fluid in the pipe.
  • Concerns are raised about the edge effect decreasing with larger radius pipes, suggesting that larger radii may behave more like a planar boundary, which could limit heat transfer efficiency.
  • Another participant emphasizes that all heat flow is radial and questions the relevance of curvature in the analysis, proposing that increasing the radius of the pipe could better utilize the available temperature difference for heat transfer.
  • References to literature on heat conduction are made, with participants seeking accessible texts on the subject.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between pipe diameter and heat transfer efficiency. While some argue for a direct proportionality, others suggest that the increase may be less than proportional due to various factors, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of heat transfer dynamics, including the influence of soil thermal conductivity and the geometry of the pipe, which may affect the assumptions made in their analyses.

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Hypothesis: heat loss increases with radius but at a less than 1:1 rate
1. My first hypothesis is that the thermal conditions of a ground source heat pump (GSHP) ground loop never reach steady state because the thermal mass of the surrounding soil is large enough that the time constant for temperature gradients moving away from the pipe before reaching boundary conditions is comparable to the time between the change of seasons

2. My second hypothesis is that a larger pipe diameter will transfer more heat to the surrounding soil, but that the increase will be less than 1:1, meaning that a doubling of the pipe diameter will not result in twice as much heat moving into the soil.

To simplify the calculation, I am assuming a single cylindrical ground-loop pipe rather than the typical pair of pipes joined at the end with a u-fitting.

Has anyone derived a formula showing the correlation between pipe radius and heat transfer per unit length assuming all other conditions remain fixed? If a mathematical correlation cannot be expressed, has anyone used thermal modeling software to derive an approximate expression for the correlation?
 
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Sandi said:
TL;DR Summary: Hypothesis: heat loss increases with radius but at a less than 1:1 rate

... the time constant for temperature gradients moving away from the pipe before reaching boundary conditions is comparable to the time between the change of seasons
You assume a tube in a trench near the surface. Depending on the soil, seasonal changes are not noticed below a metre or two. With a vertical hole, seasons will be irrelevant.
Sandi said:
TL;DR Summary: Hypothesis: heat loss increases with radius but at a less than 1:1 rate

2. My second hypothesis is that a larger pipe diameter will transfer more heat to the surrounding soil, but that the increase will be less than 1:1, meaning that a doubling of the pipe diameter will not result in twice as much heat moving into the soil.
It should double the heat flow, for the same temperature difference. Twice the diameter is twice the surface area. If the soil thermal conductivity is less than the thermal conductivity of the fluid in the pipe, then it will transfer more than twice. The heat will get a head start in the double radius pipe, as it moves away from the axis.
 
See the book Heat Conduction by Max Jacob.

In your system, for constant heat flux, the heat transfer is always transient.
 
Baluncore said:
It should double the heat flow, for the same temperature difference. Twice the diameter is twice the surface area. If the soil thermal conductivity is less than the thermal conductivity of the fluid in the pipe, then it will transfer more than twice. The heat will get a head start in the double radius pipe, as it moves away from the axis.
Thanks. I am assuming that the thermal conductivity of the pipe is higher than that of the soil so the limiting interface is the pipe to soil boundary. I agree that the emitting surface has doubled, but I am thinking that sets an upper bound on the increase in heat transfer. The reason I was intuitively thinking the actual increase would be somewhat less is because of the decreased edge effect as the radius increases. If the radius is very large, then the conduction of each unit of perimeter area begins to match that of a planar boundary whereas at a small radius, the same unit of perimeter area has much more curvature, making it easier for the pipe to push heat into the surrounding soil wedge resulting in a higher heat flux. Is there a flaw in my visualization?
 
Sandi said:
Is there a flaw in my visualization?
I view it in polar coordinates.
All heat flow is radial, so I believe the curvature is not relevant to the analysis.

Take the analysis to the extreme where the pipe is a filament.
The problem with radial flow from a filament, is the high flux density close to the filament axis, with the higher temperature difference that causes. The temperature difference available can be better utilised by increasing the radius of the better conducting pipe and fluid flow.
 
Chestermiller said:
See the book Heat Conduction by Max Jacob.
I can only find: "Heat Transfer", by Max Jakob. 1949. Two volumes.
It is very rare, and only second hand.

Is there a more available text on the subject ?
 
Baluncore said:
I view it in polar coordinates.
All heat flow is radial, so I believe the curvature is not relevant to the analysis.

Take the analysis to the extreme where the pipe is a filament.
The problem with radial flow from a filament, is the high flux density close to the filament axis, with the higher temperature difference that causes. The temperature difference available can be better utilised by increasing the radius of the better conducting pipe and fluid flow.
Interesting. So my takeaway is you think that each doubling of the OD of the pipe could result in more than a doubling of total heat transfer. It will be interesting to see if anyone else has a different opinion. Thanks for your input!
 
Carslaw and Jaeger, Conduction of Heat in Solids. Lots of inexpensive used copies. I have the 2nd edition.
 

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