Effective way of slurry sampling

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of obtaining representative slurry samples from a reactor with a specific agitator setup. Participants explore potential sampling techniques and the factors affecting sample representativeness, including agitation efficiency and settling behavior.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the agitators are effectively mixing the entire volume of the reactor, suggesting sampling from higher and mid-radius points if not.
  • Another participant notes that sampling from different points is not feasible due to safety concerns.
  • There is a request for correlations or formulas related to settling velocity in a pipe positioned at an angle from vertical.
  • One participant argues that the complexity of slurry settling makes formulas impractical, citing differences in settling behavior between various types of calcium carbonate.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of using an agitator not sized for complete mixing, which could lead to concentration variations in samples.
  • A question is posed regarding whether the sampling system allows for settling in the pipe before the sample valve and if samples are taken after allowing flow.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of the current agitation and sampling methods, with no consensus on the best approach to obtain representative samples. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal sampling technique and the applicability of specific formulas.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the inability to sample from multiple points due to safety concerns and the complexity of slurry behavior that may affect the representativeness of samples.

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I have ~50% slurry mass in a reactor with (4 PBT + 4PBT) agitator. Agitator is rotating at 94 RPM.
To analyze reaction mass we are sending two samples at a time from bottom of the reactor. There is significant analysis deviations in these two samples. I feel that the sample is not representative of the reaction mass.
Is there any way to get representative sample in slurry mass or any advanced sampling technique that can help?
Also is there any calculation/ relations to check if sample is representative of the slurry mass or not?
 
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Welcome, Rachit! :cool:

Are the agitators effectively reaching and moving the whole volume contained in the tank?
If not reaching the bottom, could you stop the rotating parts and take samples from a higher and mid-radius point?
Can you precisely calculate the original mass of pure water in the mix?

Just a few ideas.
 
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Lnewqban said:
Welcome, Rachit! :cool:

Are the agitators effectively reaching and moving the whole volume contained in the tank?
If not reaching the bottom, could you stop the rotating parts and take samples from a higher and mid-radius point?
Can you precisely calculate the original mass of pure water in the mix?

Just a few ideas.
You can say that the agitator reaches upto 96% of the reactor height( or depth).

Sampling from different points of the mix is not possible due to safety concerns.

The original mass of pure water is known (precisely).

Now, is there any correlation or formula to check settling velocity in a pipe placed at an angle from vertical
 
There are so many variables involved in slurry settling that formulas are impractical. For example, precipitated calcium carbonate settles completely differently than ground calcium carbonate with the same particle size. A lesson that a certain agitator manufacturer learned the hard (expensive) way.

An agitator sized for complete mixing is more powerful than an agitator sized for off bottom suspension. If your agitation system (agitator, impeller, tank shape, baffles) is sized for anything less than complete mixing, there will be variations in concentration. Those variations would show as concentration differences between successive samples.

Does your sample system allow the slurry to settle in the pipe immediately before the sample valve? If so, are you letting it flow before capturing the sample?
 
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