Effects of gravity throughout space-time?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of gravity in the context of space-time and whether these effects could extend through time. Participants explore the implications of gravity on dark matter and the gravitational forces observed in galaxies.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that gravity could extend through time due to the interconnectedness of spatial and temporal dimensions.
  • Others argue that gravity is fundamentally linked to the geometry of space-time and influences the motion of particles and radiation.
  • There is a suggestion that dark matter might be an unidentified force of gravity that holds galaxies together, with some participants questioning if this is already accounted for in current models.
  • One participant mentions an alternative to dark matter known as "modified" gravity, which could operate differently over large distances.
  • Some participants present two options regarding dark matter: either there is unseen matter in galaxies or there is a misunderstanding of gravity, with a leaning towards the first option based on current scientific belief.
  • There is a recognition that while some scientists support the idea of unseen matter, others believe there may be fundamental gaps in the understanding of gravity, with ongoing data influencing perspectives.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of dark matter and the understanding of gravity, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of current theories and the ongoing debate about the nature of gravity and dark matter, noting that the understanding of these concepts may evolve with new data.

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Because spacial and temporal dimensions are the same, and gravity affects space, would the effect of gravity extend through time?
Can the effects of gravity possibly extend through time? Is there a natural law that forbids this?

Could this be a possible explanation for dark matter?
 
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TrentonF said:
Summary: Because spatial and temporal dimensions are the same, and gravity affects space, would the effect of gravity extend through time?

Can the effects of gravity possibly extend through time?
Well, yes, space and time are linked and gravity acts on both and objects/fields travel/extend through both.
Could this be a possible explanation for dark matter?
No, this bears no relation to dark matter.
 
TrentonF said:
Summary: Because spatial and temporal dimensions are the same, and gravity affects space, would the effect of gravity extend through time?

Can the effects of gravity possibly extend through time? Is there a natural law that forbids this?

Could this be a possible explanation for dark matter?

Gravity is determined by the geometry of spacetime. In fact, you could say gravity is the geometry of spacetime.

Gravity influences the motion of particles and radiation.
 
russ_watters said:
No, this bears no relation to dark matter.
Isn't dark matter just an unidentified force of gravity that holds galaxies together?

If galaxies are held together by their own gravitational influence and that of a past state, could this not reasonably be an explanation for the excess of gravitational forces observed in galaxies?

Or is this already taken into account when determining the forces required to hold together a galaxy?
 
TrentonF said:
Isn't dark matter just an unidentified force of gravity that holds galaxies together?

If galaxies are held together by their own gravitational influence and that of a past state, could this not reasonably be an explanation for the excess of gravitational forces observed in galaxies?

Or is this already taken into account when determining the forces required to hold together a galaxy?

If gravity behaved that way we would already see that in terms of the effect of the Sun's gravity on Earth etc.

An alternative to dark matter is "modified" gravity, where gravity is assumed to work differently, but in such a way that it is only noticeable over large distances.

You could search for MOND if you are interested.
 
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TrentonF said:
Isn't dark matter just an unidentified force of gravity that holds galaxies together?

If galaxies are held together by their own gravitational influence and that of a past state, could this not reasonably be an explanation for the excess of gravitational forces observed in galaxies?

Or is this already taken into account when determining the forces required to hold together a galaxy?
There's 2 options:
A. There's matter in galaxies that we can't see.
B. We don't understand gravity as well as we think.

Scientists believe it is "A". Given how good the theory has worked relatively locally, it would be tough for there to be something major working differently at long distances.
 
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russ_watters said:
Scientists believe it is "A". Given how good the theory has worked relatively locally, it would be tough for there to be something major working differently at long distances.

Some scientists believe "A" and some believe "B" and many are agnostic. The data is constantly coming in and generally speaking, tilting the balance away from A and towards B, although not necessarily decisively, and most of the early dark matter particle models involving SUSY WIMPs have been all but ruled out.
 
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