Efficiency Calculations for Mechanical Systems

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The discussion revolves around efficiency calculations in mechanical systems, specifically focusing on a slide and a motor lifting crates. The original poster presents two problems related to energy and efficiency in a physics context.

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  • Participants explore different methods for calculating efficiency, including energy conservation principles and the relationship between power, force, and mass. Some question the necessity of including mass in calculations when it is not provided, while others suggest alternative approaches to find the correct efficiency.

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There are multiple interpretations of the problems being discussed, with some participants providing guidance on how to approach the calculations. The conversation reflects a mix of attempts to clarify concepts and share methods, but no consensus has been reached on the correct solutions.

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Ok so I'm in Gr 11 U Physics and we have an assignment and I have a couple q's

1) While at the park a child sits on top of a 3.5m slide. When he reaches the bottom of the slide, he is traveling at 3.0m/s. Calaculate the efficency of the slide

2) A 5000 W motor is lifting crates from the bottom of a mine shaft to the ground above at a constant rate of 5m/s. What is the maximum weight of a crate to be lifted up the shaft?
 
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Welcome to PF Kaity,

The policies of this forum prevent us from helping you, unless you show some working or initial thoughts...

~H
 
ok well for the first one...we did something similar in class, but when I tried it, it was definitely wrong. we were told to not include mass when it is not given so for this it would be:
Eg = mg x h Ek= 1/2mv2
= m(9.8)(3.5) =(0.5)m(3.0)2
=34.3mJ =4.5mJ

%e =Eg /Ek x 100%
= 34.3mJ/ 4.5m/J x100%
= 762.2%This answer is evidently wrong
 
for the second one I have no idea where to even begin
P=5000W or J/s
v= 5.0m/s

So I originally tried figuring out force which you can get by doing
F = P/ V
= 5000W/5.0m/s
= 1000N
and I believe you can find the mass of that by dividing the
1000N/9.8 = 102.04kg
is that it or is there more to it?
 
First, you need to find the energy lost;

[tex]E_{lost} = E_{inital} - E_{final[/tex]

Then you need to find the efficency;

[tex]= 1- \frac{E_{lost}}{E_{initial}}[/tex]

Can you go from here?

~H
 
First off, I solved the 5000W motor problem using different equations and arrived at the same answer, so I would say that your calculation of the mass is correct. What I did was realize that since power is work over time, and the work will be the increase in potential energy in this case I could replace work with mgh (where m is mass, g is acceleration due to gravity and h is the change in height) and then solve for m. That method yielded your answer.

For the slide question, you stated that %e=Eg/Ek*100. In my class we said that %e=(energy out)/(energy in) * 100. I think that will give you a much more reasonable result.
 

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