Efficiency vs Height: Understanding the Relationship

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The discussion revolves around understanding the relationship between efficiency and height in a physics experiment involving gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy. The original poster is exploring how changes in height affect the efficiency of a cart traveling down a slope.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are examining the relationship between efficiency and height, questioning whether the graph of this relationship is linear or follows a different pattern. The original poster describes their experimental observations regarding efficiency and height, noting that efficiency increases but at a decreasing rate.

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Some participants have requested to see the graph generated from the experiment, indicating a desire to analyze the data visually. There is an ongoing exploration of the nature of the relationship, with suggestions that it may not be linear, reflecting a common uncertainty in physics regarding relationships between variables.

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The original poster mentions limitations in their understanding of physics and expresses concern about the complexity of the discussion. There is an acknowledgment of the challenges in identifying solid linear relationships in experimental data.

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Hey guys! I am doing a very simple lab, and in need of your expertise!

Haha, I am an intro-physics student, please don't get too complicated with me, my knowledge is very limited.

The QUESTION is: WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN EFFICIENCY VS HEIGHT (graphically)...err...our graph is a curve-like line, is that correct? Similar to x^2 graphs...I think.

Thank you to all.


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Let subscript g = gravitational potential energy, k = kinetic energy

Efficiency = Edesired/Etotal or Eoutput/Einput

Eg = mass X gravity X height
Ek = mass X velocity^2
 
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What is your desired energy output? Gravitational pe?
 
rock.freak667 said:
What is your desired energy output? Gravitational pe?


Our desired energy output is only Ek.

Our desired energy input is only Eg.

We are trying to find the efficiency vs height relationship.

In our experiment, as we increased the vertical height, but remain a fixed distance, our cart traveled down the slope faster. This makes sense because as you raise height, you also raise angle making the slope steeper, thereby traveling faster.

Our efficiency in percentage also increased, by it did not increase by a steady interval. As we increased the vertical height, efficiency increased but less than the rates before it. It started to increase less and less.

PLEASE help if you can. thank you thank you.
 
Trooper100 said:
We are trying to find the efficiency vs height relationship.

In our experiment, as we increased the vertical height, but remain a fixed distance, our cart traveled down the slope faster. This makes sense because as you raise height, you also raise angle making the slope steeper, thereby traveling faster.

Our efficiency in percentage also increased, by it did not increase by a steady interval. As we increased the vertical height, efficiency increased but less than the rates before it. It started to increase less and less.

Could you please post your graph? As I am inclined to think that a graph of η vs. x should be linear.
 
rock.freak667 said:
Could you please post your graph? As I am inclined to think that a graph of η vs. x should be linear.

Sure, here it is in a Word Document.

Thanks for any help.

EDIT: I have a feeling that the graph may not be linear. It's hard to find a solid linear relationship in physics (from my experience). Thanks anyway!

Oh yeah, the line in the pictured was generated by Microsoft word. It may not be correct, or it may correct depending on the function (linear, parabolic, curve, etc). I chose polynomial.
 

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Trooper100 said:
Sure, here it is in a Word Document.

Thanks for any help.

EDIT: I have a feeling that the graph may not be linear. It's hard to find a solid linear relationship in physics (from my experience). Thanks anyway!

Oh yeah, the line in the pictured was generated by Microsoft word. It may not be correct, or it may correct depending on the function (linear, parabolic, curve, etc). I chose polynomial.

Try drawing a linear trendline, I don't think efficiency would increase that much in such a small interval.

Most times they give you an experiment to do, most of the relationships are linear.
 

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