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The discussion centers on the ongoing protests in Egypt, focusing on the socio-political dynamics, the role of social media, and the economic conditions contributing to the unrest. Participants explore various aspects including the nature of the protests, comparisons with other movements, and the implications of internet and phone network shutdowns by the government.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the protests are primarily anti-Mubarak rather than purely pro-democracy.
  • There is a discussion about the visibility of women in protests, with comparisons drawn to the Iranian election protests.
  • Participants highlight significant economic disparities in Egypt, suggesting that lower-income individuals are more likely to be involved in the protests.
  • Some argue that the economic conditions, such as low wages and high unemployment, are motivating factors for the protests.
  • Concerns are raised about the accessibility of the internet among the general population, particularly those with low incomes.
  • One participant mentions that the Egyptian government has effective control over internet access, with a few companies managing the majority of connections.
  • There is speculation about the role of social media in organizing the protests, with questions about who has access to these platforms.
  • Participants express curiosity about the stock market's activity during the protests, questioning the impact of the unrest on financial transactions.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the motivations behind the protests, the role of women, and the impact of economic conditions. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on these issues.

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Some statements reflect assumptions about economic conditions and internet access that may not be universally applicable. The discussion includes references to specific economic data and social dynamics that are not fully explored.

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It is amazing to read about and watch the pro-democracy protests going on in Egypt right now. *Having been to Cairo and Alexandria just this past November, I recognize a number of the major areas where the protests are taking … http://virtualnavigator.wordpress.com/2011/01/28/egypt-shuts-off-internet-and-phone-networks-as-protests-continue/" http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=virtualnavigator.wordpress.com&blog=11498882&post=496&subd=virtualnavigator&ref=&feed=1

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The protests are more anti-Mubarak than pro-democracy, Greg..
 
Its interesting that in the Iranian election protests a year ago we saw women everywhere in the crowds:

iran.protest.woman.getty.gal.jpg


But in Eygpt lately, none:
protest-in-egypt.jpg
 
mheslep said:
Its interesting that in the Iranian election protests a year ago we saw women everywhere in the crowds:
Bold mine.

Well, I do see one for sure (with a sign in English no less).
 
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mheslep said:
Its interesting that in the Iranian election protests a year ago we saw women everywhere in the crowds:
...

If I recall correctly, Mousavi was supported by liberals and educated class. In case of Egypt, it's the poverty class people who seem to be causing the havoc.

I have often read about Iran providing more rights to its women (driving cars). However, I haven't ever read anything in case of Egypt. I believe Egypt is better than Iran in case of women rights.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/483309.stm (1999)
Egyptian women are an increasing presence in the workforce
They can vote; they are significant part of the workforce and there are now two women in the Egyptian cabinet.

But they're not allowed to travel abroad without the permission of their husbands; it's hard for them to initiate divorce; and they can't - like Qassem Amin - become judges.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5359672.stm (2006)
The number of women graduating from Iran's universities is overtaking the number of men, promising a change in the job market and, with it, profound social change.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7657810.stm (2008)
Iran has announced plans for a new car designed specially for women.
 
There are vast wealth differences in both Egypt and Iran (and the US). The upper classes have more women's rights the lower classes have less women's rights. Like most things you get the "rights" you have the money and power to hold on to.
 
Funny nobody talks about the wage scales in Egypt. from
http://www.payscale.com/research/EG/Country=Egypt/Salary
I see that on average an accountant makes 17,800 egyptian pounds per year. there are about 6 egyptian pound per dollar so about $3000 per year. Gee that alone sounds like a motivation to revolution.
 
PhilKravitz said:
Funny nobody talks about the wage scales in Egypt. from
http://www.payscale.com/research/EG/Country=Egypt/Salary
I see that on average an accountant makes 17,800 egyptian pounds per year. there are about 6 egyptian pound per dollar so about $3000 per year. Gee that alone sounds like a motivation to revolution.
Do you know how that equates to similar jobs in other countries? Have you heard of "cost of living"?
 
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Evo, Egypt is a large country. How were they able to achieve such an effective control in such a short time?
 
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"A day after international labour day, members of trade unions, public workers and opposition groups gathered to call for an increase in the national minimum wage, set at 35 Egyptian pounds ($6) a month since 1984. They said it should rise to 1,200 pounds ($215)."
from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8657801.stm
even taking into account PPP $6 per month is low.
 
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PhilKravitz said:
"A day after international labour day, members of trade unions, public workers and opposition groups gathered to call for an increase in the national minimum wage, set at 35 Egyptian pounds ($6) a month since 1984. They said it should rise to 1,200 pounds ($215)."
from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8657801.stm
even taking into account PPP $6 per month is low.

Was this promoted on the internet or other social media?
 
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WhoWee said:
Was this promoted on the internet or other social media?

I do not understand. I would guess folks in Egypt that make this kind of money do not have access to the internet due to lack of money. This was the chattering classes in England and the US reading a BBC article on the internet.

Though I do work with Egyptian engineers. The company I work for has a large engineering development organization in Cairo. They make $20,000 per year and taking into account PPP do have access to the internet. They also travel worldwide doing consulting engineering and see the life style lived in the rest of the world. Do they think $6 per month is fair to their fellow countrypersons?
 
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PhilKravitz said:
I do not understand. I would guess folks in Egypt that make this kind of money do not have access to the internet due to lack of money. This was the chattering classes in England and the US reading a BBC article on the internet.

Though I do work with Egyptian engineers. The company I work for has a large engineering development organization in Cairo. They make $20,000 per year and taking into account PPP do have access to the internet. They also travel worldwide doing consulting engineering and see the life style lived in the rest of the world. Do they think $6 per month is fair to their fellow countrypersons?

You've raised an interesting point. If earnings are very low in Egypt, how many people actually have access to the internet and cell phones?
 
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WhoWee said:
Evo, Egypt is a large country. How were they able to achieve such an effective control in such a short time?
slate.com has an article on that.

93% of Egypt's outside internet connections are controlled by merely 4 companies.
Nor are there many routers each company controls.
Egyptian law legitimizes that a presidential order to shut down the routers must be followed.

So, 4 phone calls from the government was enough to effect the shutdown.

The stock exchange and similar activity deemed critical has not been shut down:
http://www.slate.com/id/2283000/
 
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arildno said:
The stock exchange and similar activity deemed critical has not been shut down:
http://www.slate.com/id/2283000/

I'd like to see a record of the trading activity the past few days - WHO bought and sold WHAT stocks.
 

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