Eigenstates in a 3-state spin 1 system

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of eigenstates and eigenvalues in a 3-state spin-1 system, specifically focusing on the operators L2 and L3. Participants explore the matrix representation of these operators and the implications for angular momentum in quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about calculating eigenvalues and eigenvectors from the L3 matrix provided.
  • Another participant requests the original question to clarify the starting assumptions for the discussion.
  • The original question involves finding the matrix representation of operators L1, L2, and L3 in a 3-D subspace defined by the eigenstates of total angular momentum l=1.
  • A participant suggests using knowledge of how operators like L3 act on basis states to construct the matrix, noting that the resulting matrix should be diagonal with eigenvalues as diagonal elements.
  • One participant reiterates their difficulty in deriving eigenvalues and eigenvectors from the given L3 matrix.
  • A later reply indicates that the participant has resolved their confusion.

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The discussion includes varying levels of understanding regarding the calculation of eigenvalues and eigenvectors, with some participants providing guidance while others express uncertainty. The final resolution of one participant's confusion does not imply consensus among all participants.

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Participants do not fully explore the mathematical steps required to derive eigenvalues and eigenvectors from the L3 matrix, leaving some assumptions and methods unspecified.

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I have been looking at the solution to a question and I don't understand how the eigenstates are calculated. The question concerns a 3-state spin-1-system with angular momentum l=1. The 3 eigenstates of L3 are given as ## \begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 0 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix} ## , ## \begin{pmatrix} 0 \\ 1 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix} ## , ## \begin{pmatrix} 0 \\ 0 \\ 1 \end{pmatrix} ## which leads to the z-component of angular momentum as L3 = ## \hbar ## ## \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & -1 \end{pmatrix} ##. When I try to calculate the eigenvalues and eigenvectors of the L3 matrix using determinants I get no answer. Can anybody tell me how to get the eigenvalues and eigenvectors ? Thanks
 
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Could you post the original question? It will help to know what is the assumed starting point.
 
The original question is - A quantum particle is known to have total angular momentum one ie. l = 1. Use the eigenstates of L2 and L3 , denoted by | l , m > = | 1 , m > as a basis and find the matrix representation of operators L1 , L2 and L2 in this 3-D subspace. Use | 1 , 1> = ## \begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 0 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix} ## = | 1 > , | 1 , 0 > = ## \begin{pmatrix} 0 \\ 1 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix} ## = | 2 > , | 1 , -1 > = ## \begin{pmatrix} 0 \\ 0 \\ 1 \end{pmatrix} ## as our basis. You may find it useful to compute the matrix representation of operators L+ , L- and L3 .
 
Ok, so the idea is to use your knowledge of how operators like ##L_3## work on the basis states to build the matrix. For instance, you (should) know that
$$
L_3 | 1, -1 \rangle = -\hbar | 1, -1 \rangle
$$
so you build the matrix accordingly. Since you are using the eigenstates of ##L_3## to build the matrix, you know that the resulting matrix is diagonal, with the eigenvalues as the diagonal elements. You do the same for ##L^2##. As for ##L_1## and ##L_2##, you will indeed find it useful to use the operators ##L_+## and ##L_-##.
 
The bit that I don't understand is that if I was given the L3 matrix I can't work out the eigenvalues and eigenvectors from it
 
I've got it now !
 

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