Einstein says objects do not fall to the Earth?

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The discussion centers on Einstein's theory of General Relativity (GR) and its implications for the concept of falling objects. Participants clarify that, according to GR, objects like a bowling ball and a feather do not fall due to a gravitational force but rather follow geodesics in curved spacetime. This means that both objects are in free fall, and the Earth does not pull them down; instead, the curvature of spacetime influences their paths. The conversation emphasizes the distinction between Newtonian physics and GR, particularly regarding the definitions of "falling" and "force."

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  • #121
vin300 said:
Why is a fictitious force always quadratic?

Here's a heuristic explanation:

You have a 4-velocity U. It can be written as a linear combination of basis vectors:

U = U^0 e_0 + U^1 e_1 + U^2 e_2 + U^3 e_3 which we summarize as U^\mu e_\mu (where the repeated index \mu means that it's to be summed over all possible indices).

Now, let's compute \frac{d}{ds} U:

\frac{d}{ds} U = \frac{d}{ds} (U^\mu e_\mu) = \frac{dU^\mu}{ds} e_\mu + U^\mu \frac{de_\mu}{ds} (by the product rule).

Now, what is the meaning of \frac{de_\mu}{ds}? It's the rate of change of the basis vector e_\mu. Note: if you're not using inertial Cartesian coordinates, then your basis vectors are not covariantly constant. The basis vectors are actually functions of position x^\mu. So if your position is changing by:

\frac{dx^\mu}{ds} = U^\mu (the \mu component of the 4-velocity)

then e_\mu will change at the rate:

\frac{d e_\mu}{ds} = \frac{\partial e_\mu}{\partial x^\nu} \frac{dx^\nu}{ds} by the chain rule. But \frac{dx^\nu}{ds} = U^\nu. So we have:

\frac{d e_\mu}{ds} = \frac{\partial e_\mu}{\partial x^\nu} U^\nu

Substituting that into the expression for \frac{dU}{ds} gives:

\frac{dU}{ds} = \frac{dU^\mu}{ds} e_\mu + U^\mu U^\nu \frac{\partial e_\mu}{\partial x^\nu}

The second term is the fictitious force, and it involves two factors of U.

(Everywhere I use derivatives or partial derivatives, I should be using covariant versions.)
 
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  • #122
Let's take the simplest possible case. You've got a plane, a flat plane (no curvature). On the plane you have cartesian coordinates (x,y) and some more general coordinates. Rather than making them truly general, at this point we'll just use polar coordinates, r and ##\theta##.

Suppose you have two points on the plane, P and a nearby point Z. Note we are imagining that P and Z are the same set of points - we've only changed the description of them, i.e. the coordinates.

Now we can create a vector that represents the generalized displacement from P to Z by subtracting the coordinates. We will have in one case ##\delta_x## and ##\delta_y## as components of the vector, in the other case we will have ##\delta_r## and ##\delta_\theta##

There will be some linear transformation between the two descriptions of nearby points, if you remember the chain rule of calculus you might write for instance

\delta_x = \frac{dx}{dr} \delta_r + \frac{dx}{d\theta} \delta_\theta \quad \delta_y = \frac{dy}{dr} \delta_r + \frac{dy}{d\theta} \delta_\theta<br />The important thing is that there is a linear relationship between the two descriptions, the particular notation I used assumes that you have some function x(r, ##\theta##) and another function y(r, ##\theta##) in order to calculate the values of the derivatives which give the linear relationship.

The linear part is more in line of an assumption, by the way - we are assuming that we always stick close enough to P that only the linear terms matter, and that we can ignore any second order terms that might exist.

This part is a super-brief description of what we'd describe in abstract mathematical terms as the existence of a "vector space" near P. And we've also implicitly specified a specific set of what are called "basis vectors" near P, which are the coordinate basis. I didn't introduce the necessary notation, rather than talk around the issue let me just illustrate a modernish non-tensor form of the notation that may not actually match any particular textbook you might use. My textbooks all use tensor notation, because I don't have any textbooks to consult for non-tensor notation, I'm hoping that my possibly non-standard notation will make sense and get the point across.

##\delta_x## and ##\delta_y## are just numbers. To have a true vector, we notationally write ##\delta_x \vec{x} + \delta_y \vec{y}##. The things with the arrows over them are the actual vectors, what I called the basis vectors. The numbers that multiply them are really scalars that multiply the value of the basis vectors.

There's a different set of basis vectors for every coordinate system, we have one set for our cartesian coordinates, another set for our polar coordinates.

Now on to the connection, where things gets a bit more complicated.

Suppose we have a vector near P, we want to map it into a parallel vector near Q. Because we are on a plane, there is a natural notion of parallelism, so given P and Q there is exactly one vector at Q that is parallel to P and has the same length as the vector near P.

In cartesian coordinates this process is easy. The process of mapping a vector near P to a vector near Q while keeping them parallel and their length constant involves not allowing the components of the vector to change.

In polar coordinates, this simple prescription won't work. We are trying to provide a coordinate independent description of the physics, though, so we want a coordinate independent way of writing down the prescription for transporting vectors.

What we do know that if Q is near P, we know that the desired result, what I will call the "output vector" near Q, will be some bi-linear function of the input vector (near P) and the displacement from Q to P, which (because we did things on a flat plane to keep things simple) is another vector, which we will call D.

It takes 8 numbers to write the most general possible bi-linear relation between the output vector Q, and the input vectors P and D. It's a rank 3 tensor, if you are unfamiliar with tensors you can think of it as a sort-of 3 dimensional matrix. By bilinear, we mean that the relationship between Q and P holding D fixed is linear, and the relationship between Q and D holding P fixed is linear.

It takes 8 numbers because our simplified problem is 2 dimensional. If it were 4 dimensional, it'd take 4x4x4 = 64, as you've noted previously.

Those 8 numbers are the connection coefficients in two dimensions, which are notationally give the representation ##\Gamma^{i}{}_{jk}##. While the most general possible set of connection coefficients have 8 elements, in order to preserve distances and angles as we have described, given the metric, there is only one set of connection coefficients that will work. Knowing the metric specifies the connection coefficients, though I haven't explained why. Honestly, I'd have to think quite a bit about "why", but I know that it does.

Onto the metric. Hopefully, this part is easy. The metric for the cartesian coordinates is just dx^2 + dy^2. The metric for the polar coordinates is dr^2 + r^2 d\theta^2. That's it for the metric! It seems short, but I'm not sure that more needs to be said, hopefully this was already familiar.

If you want the formula for how to compute the Christoffel symbols from the metric, wiki has a brief though perhaps hard to follow description at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christoffel_symbols that doesn't explain how it got the answer either :-).
 
  • #123
CKH said:
Can you tell me easily what each letter designates in the full equation or provide a reference?
http://preposterousuniverse.com/grnotes/
This includes a very brief intro:
http://preposterousuniverse.com/grnotes/grtinypdf.pdf
 
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  • #124
CKH said:
we are only doing it at one point
I don't know where you got this idea. It is not correct. The law applies at all points on any world line, just as with the simplified version.
 
  • #125
DaleSpam said:
I don't know where you got this idea. It is not correct. The law applies at all points on any world line, just as with the simplified version.

I think what he means is that the connection coefficients have different values at every point, in general.
 
  • #126
stevendaryl said:
I think what he means is that the connection coefficients have different values at every point, in general.
As does the force and the acceleration and even the mass, in general. It is simply wrong to conclude from that that the law itself only applies at a single point. All of the quantities in these equations can vary, the law is the relationship between them which holds everywhere.
 
  • #127
Gosh, thanks for all the help guys. I need to digest all this for a while. Dale, thanks I really need that help with notation. (I have to refresh my calculus a bit as well since it's been a long time without much use.)

stevendaryl said:
I think what he means is that the connection coefficients have different values at every point, in general.
That's right and perhaps in some cases you can make the connection coefficients functions of position and thus cover some part of spacetime as suggested by Dale and in stevendaryl's example where the variable 'r' is used to express some coefficients.

BTW I have trouble quoting equations in parts of your messages. Perhaps there are some global tags in the messages that need to be copied?
 
  • #128
pervect said:
Let's take the simplest possible case. . .

Thanks. That's helpful as a bridge toward understanding what's happening in the more mysterious compact notation.
 

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