Einstein solid, Sterling approximation

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The discussion revolves around the application of Stirling's approximation in deriving the multiplicity of an Einstein solid, specifically focusing on the formula for \(\Omega(N,q)\) and its components. Participants are exploring the implications of large values of \(N\) and \(q\) in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the derivation of the multiplicity formula and express confusion regarding the origin of specific terms in the denominator, particularly the square root and the factor involving \(2\pi\). There is also mention of different forms of Stirling's approximation and their relevance to the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in understanding the formula, with one noting a resolution to their confusion regarding the denominator. However, there remains a lack of consensus on the exact formulation, as alternative interpretations of the denominator are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of using Stirling's approximation and are addressing the complexities that arise from large \(N\) and \(q\) values in the context of statistical mechanics.

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Homework Statement


Use Sterling's approximation to show that the multiplicity of an Einstein solid, for any large values of N and q is approximately
[tex]\Omega(N,q) = \frac{(\frac{q+N}{q})^q(\frac{q+N}{N})^N}{\sqrt{2\pi q(q+N)/N}}[/tex]

Homework Equations


[tex]\Omega(N,q) = \frac{(N+q-1)!}{q!(N-1)!}[/tex]
[tex]\ln(x!) \simeq x\ln(x) - x[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I see where the terms in the numerator come from, but I cannot see where the terms in the denominator come from. Specifically, the squareroot, and the factor of 2 pi*q. When I grind out the math, I get that the denominator should be (q+N)/N. Help anyone?
 
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Solved it... Turns out I had to use the other Sterling's approximation

[tex]N! = N^Ne^{-N}\sqrt{2\pi N}[/tex]
 
Sterling' s approximation is

[tex]n! \approx \sqrt{2\,\pi\,n}\left(\frac{n}{e}\right)^n[/tex]

To get your formula fist get rid of 1 at [tex](N+q-1)!,\,(N-1)![/tex]

I think that in the formula

[tex]\Omega(N,q) = \frac{(\frac{q+N}{q})^q(\frac{q+N}{N})^N}{\sqrt{2\pi q(q+N)/N}}[/tex]

the denominator must be [tex]\sqrt{2\,\pi\,q\,N/(q+N)}[/tex]
 
:smile: You solved it while I was typing!
 
Thanks... it's the thought that counts anyway!
 

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