Elastic Collision and speed of a ball

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves an elastic collision between two balls of different masses and initial velocities. The original poster seeks to determine the final speed of the second ball after the collision, using principles of conservation of momentum and kinetic energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to manipulate the conservation of momentum equation to solve for the final velocity of the second ball. Some participants question the method used to find the final velocity of the first ball, while others provide alternative equations related to elastic collisions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different equations and concepts related to elastic collisions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relative velocities before and after the collision, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or solution.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses uncertainty about the application of the conservation of momentum and seeks clarification on their calculations. There may be assumptions about the conditions of the collision that are not fully articulated.

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Homework Statement



A 120 g ball moving to the right at 4.5 m/s catches up and collides with a 420 g ball that is moving to the right at 1.2 m/s.

If the collision is perfectly elastic, what is the speed of the 420 g ball after the collision?

Homework Equations



m_1v_{1i}+}m_2v_{2i} = m_1v_{1f}+m_2v_{2f}

The Attempt at a Solution



I manipulated the formula a little bit to solve for V2_f and came up with this:
(m_1v_{1i}+}m_2v_{2i} - m_1v_{1f}) / m_2

then I plugged in my numbers:
(.12*4.5 + .42*1.2 - .12*.63) / .42

simplified to this:
(.54 + .504 - .0756) / .42

and got 2.3057. Mastering physics said that is wrong however and I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. Is the conservation of momentum the correct equation for this problem? I found the velocity of the 120 gram ball fine, which was .63 m/s, but am stuck on this one. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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Hi Atlos, welcome to PF.
How did you get v1f = 0.63 m/s?
 
I came to find v1f by using the following equation:

[(m_1-m_2) / (m_1+m_2) ]v_{1i} + [2m_2 / (m_1+m_2]v_{2i}
 
A useful fact for straight line elastic collision is that

v_2b - v_1b = - (v_2a - v_1a)

v_1a = velocity of m1 before collision
v_1b = velocity of m1 after collision etc.

Relative velocity before the collision is the same as after, just opposite in sign.
 

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