Elastic Collision kinetic energy and momentum

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The discussion revolves around an elastic collision problem involving two balls of different masses and initial velocities. The original poster presents a scenario where a 5.0 kg ball collides head-on with a stationary 6.0 kg ball, seeking to determine their speeds post-collision using principles of momentum and kinetic energy.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of formulas for elastic collisions, with some providing calculations for the final velocities of the balls. Questions arise regarding the assumptions made about the direction of motion post-collision, particularly whether the first ball will bounce backwards.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem, including reliance on specific formulas and the suggestion to use conservation laws. Some participants offer guidance on using conservation of kinetic energy and momentum, while others emphasize the importance of understanding the underlying principles rather than solely relying on formulas.

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Participants note the validity of certain equations under specific conditions, such as the coefficient of restitution being equal to one for perfectly elastic collisions. There is also mention of the need for clarity on the assumptions regarding the direction of motion after the collision.

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Homework Statement



A ball of mass 5.0kg moving at a speed of 5.0m/s has a head on collision with a stationary bal of mass 6.0kg. If the collision were perfectly elastic what would be the speeds of the two balls after the collision?

Homework Equations



P = mv
KE = 0.5mv2

The Attempt at a Solution



Using together kinetic energy and momentum equations, I can solve for final velocities.

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Is this correct?
 
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The formulas for elastic collisions are:
v1 = u1(m1-m2)/(m1+m2)
v2 = 2m1u1/(m1+m2)

v1 = 5(5-6)/(6+5) = -5/11 m/s = -.45 m/s
v2 = (2*5*5)/(5+6) = 50/11 m/s = 4.5 m/s

So you got the right answers if you add a negative sign to v1 since it bounces backwards after the collision.
 
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Flashlinegame said:
The formulas for elastic collisions are:
v1 = u1(m1-m2)/(m1+m2)
v2 = 2m1u1/(m1+m2)

v1 = 5(5-6)/(6+5) = -5/11 m/s = -.45 m/s
v2 = (2*5*5)/(5+6) = 50/11 m/s = 4.5 m/s

So you got the right answers if you add a negative sign to v1 since it bounces backwards after the collision.
How do you know that the first ball will bounce backwards?
 
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fobbz said:

Homework Statement



A ball of mass 5.0kg moving at a speed of 5.0m/s has a head on collision with a stationary bal of mass 6.0kg. If the collision were perfectly elastic what would be the speeds of the two balls after the collision?

Flashlinegame said:
The formulas for elastic collisions are:
v1 = u1(m1-m2)/(m1+m2)
v2 = 2m1u1/(m1+m2)

v1 = 5(5-6)/(6+5) = -5/11 m/s = -.45 m/s
v2 = (2*5*5)/(5+6) = 50/11 m/s = 4.5 m/s

My advice would be not to rely on these formulas and use conservation of KE and momentum conservation and the equation of restitution ... with these 3 things you can solve nearly all collision problems.

PS:
KE Coservation: \frac{1}{2}{m_1u_1}^2 + \frac{1}{2}{m_2u_2}^2 = \frac{1}{2}{m_1v_1}^2 + \frac{1}{2}{m_2v_2}^2 - valid only when e=1

Momentum Conservation: m_1u_1 + m_2u_2 = m_1v_1 + m_2v_2 - valid for all e\in[0,1]

Eqn of coefficient of restitution: (v_2 - v_1) = e(u_1 - u_2)
 

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