Graduate What is the Vector Manipulation Formula for Elastic Scattering Angle?

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The discussion focuses on deriving the vector manipulation formula for the elastic scattering angle in nuclear physics. It begins with the wave functions of initial and scattered electrons, leading to the transition probability expressed through the function F(q). The manipulation of vectors reveals that the scattering momentum transfer q is related to the scattering angle α by the equation q = (2p/ħ)sin(α/2). Participants clarify the calculation of q², emphasizing the role of the dot product in determining the cosine component. The conversation concludes with an acknowledgment of the correction regarding the dot product definition.
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I was reading *Introduction to Nuclear Physics* by Krane and stumbled on the following (page 47):

In Elastic scattering, the initial electron wave function is of the form ##e^{i k_i r}## (free particle of momentum ##p_i = \hbar k_i##). The scattered electron can also be regarded as a free particle of momentum ##p_f = \hbar k_f## and wave function ##e^{i k_f r}##.

The interaction ##V(r)## converts the initial wave into the scattered wave; the probability for the transition will be proportional to the square of the following quantity:

$$F(q) = \int V(r) e^{iqr}dv$$

Plugging both Coulomb's potential and charge-per-unit-volume into ##F(q)##:

$$F(q) = \int e^{iqr'} \rho(r') dv'$$

Normalizing and knowing that ##\rho(r')## just depends on ##r'## (and not on ##\theta'## nor ##\phi'##) we get:

$$F(q) = \frac{4\pi}{q}\int r' sin (qr') \rho(r') dr'$$

Where ##q = k_i - k_f##. The scattering is elastic, so momentum is conserved (##p_i = p_f##) and ##q## is merely a function of the scattering angle ##\alpha## between ##p_i## and ##p_f##.

**Now a bit of vector manipulation shows:**

$$q = \frac{2p}{\hbar}sin(\frac{\alpha}{2})$$

**I do not know how to get the last expression**
 
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Using ##| \mathbf{k}_i | = |\mathbf{k}_f| = k##, calculate ##q^2##:
$$
\begin{align*}
q^2 &= (\mathbf{k}_i - \mathbf{k}_f)^2 \\
&= k^2 - 2 \mathbf{k}_i \cdot \mathbf{k}_f - k^2 \\
&= 2 k^2 (1 - \cos \alpha) \\
&= 4 k^2 \sin^2 (\alpha /2 )
\end{align*}
$$
Taking the square root and using ##p = \hbar k## will give you your equation.
 
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DrClaude said:
Using ##| \mathbf{k}_i | = |\mathbf{k}_f| = k##, calculate ##q^2##:
$$
\begin{align*}
q^2 &= (\mathbf{k}_i - \mathbf{k}_f)^2 \\
&= k^2 - 2 \mathbf{k}_i \cdot \mathbf{k}_f - k^2 \\
&= 2 k^2 (1 - \cos \alpha) \\
&= 4 k^2 \sin^2 (\alpha /2 )
\end{align*}
$$
Taking the square root and using ##p = \hbar k## will give you your equation.

In your third line; I do not see how you get the ##-2k^2 cos \alpha## term
 
JD_PM said:
In your third line; I do not see how you get the ##-2k^2 cos \alpha## term
$$
\begin{align*}
\mathbf{k}_i \cdot \mathbf{k}_f &= | \mathbf{k}_i | |\mathbf{k}_f| \cos \alpha \\
&= k^2 \cos \alpha
\end{align*}
$$
where ##\alpha## is the angle between ##\mathbf{k}_i## and ##\mathbf{k}_f## (or ##\mathbf{p}_i## and ##\mathbf{p}_f##).
 
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DrClaude said:
$$
\begin{align*}
\mathbf{k}_i \cdot \mathbf{k}_f &= | \mathbf{k}_i | |\mathbf{k}_f| \cos \alpha \\
&= k^2 \cos \alpha
\end{align*}
$$
where ##\alpha## is the angle between ##\mathbf{k}_i## and ##\mathbf{k}_f## (or ##\mathbf{p}_i## and ##\mathbf{p}_f##).
It is the dot product definition! My bad, thanks DrClaude.
 
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Time reversal invariant Hamiltonians must satisfy ##[H,\Theta]=0## where ##\Theta## is time reversal operator. However, in some texts (for example see Many-body Quantum Theory in Condensed Matter Physics an introduction, HENRIK BRUUS and KARSTEN FLENSBERG, Corrected version: 14 January 2016, section 7.1.4) the time reversal invariant condition is introduced as ##H=H^*##. How these two conditions are identical?

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