Electric Dipole - Calulating the electic field from Potential

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric field of a dipole from its potential, specifically using the gradient of the potential function. The original poster attempts to understand the relationship between the electric field and the potential, as well as the application of gradient operations in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the application of the gradient operator to the potential function and question the treatment of vector quantities in the differentiation process. There are discussions about the correctness of rewriting the equation in Einstein notation and the implications of the Leibniz rule for gradients.

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Some participants provide insights into the properties of gradients and vector calculus, while others express confusion about specific calculations and the results obtained. The conversation reflects an ongoing exploration of the mathematical framework without reaching a consensus on the approach.

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There is mention of potential confusion arising from the treatment of vectors versus scalars in the context of the gradient operation. The original poster indicates a struggle with the mathematical details, which may be affecting their understanding of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Calculate the Electric field of a Dipole from its Potential.

\vec E=-\operatorname{grad}(\Phi_D)

Homework Equations


\Phi_D(\vec R)=\frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_0} \cdot \frac{\vec d \vec R}{R^3}

The Attempt at a Solution


Hi all!

I am trying to calculate the electric Field of a Dipole from its Potential.

Specifically, I am trying to understand the following equation:\operatorname{grad}(\Phi_D)=\frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_0R^3}\cdot((\vec d\cdot \vec R )\cdot \operatorname{grad}(\frac{1}{R^3})+\frac{1}{R^3} \cdot\operatorname{grad}(\vec d \cdot \vec R))

I tried re-writing the equation according to the Einstein Notation:
\operatorname{grad}(\Phi_D)=\frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\cdot\frac{\partial}{\partial R_j}\frac{d_k R_l}{(R_i R_i)^{\frac{3}{2}}}

Is that correct? If so, how will I go about proving the above identity?

Thank you all for your help!
 
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It is fairly straightforward to show, using the definition of gradient and partial derivatives, that gradient satisfies the Leibniz rule, \operatorname{grad}(fg) = f \operatorname{grad}(g) + g \operatorname{grad}(f)
where f and g are scalars
 
But they are not scalar, are they?

\vec d \text{ and } \vec R are vectors...

The rule for vectors is, in my opinion, <br /> <br /> \operatorname{grad}(\vec a \cdot \vec b)=(\vec a \cdot \nabla) \cdot \vec b+(\vec b \cdot \nabla) \cdot \vec a+\vec a \times (\nabla \times\vec b)+\vec b \times (\nabla \times\vec a)
 
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smoking-frog said:
But they are not scalar, are they?

\vec d \text{ and } \vec R are vectors...

Correct. But I thought in \phi you had \vec{d} \cdot \vec{R}, which I believe is a scalar. Start from that and then note that \vec{d}*is constant, so differentiating \vec{d} \cdot \vec{R} is a bit simpler than that general formula suggests.
 
Oh ok.

I actually tried that already, but the result was 0 for some reason...
But it's good to know I had the right idea and obviously just got lost in the math on the way.
I guess I'll simply try it again :)

Thanks for your help!
 

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