Electric Field of a Charged Sphere

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The discussion revolves around the electric field of a charged sphere, particularly focusing on the behavior of the electric field at the surface compared to points just outside the surface. Participants explore theoretical implications, references to literature, and interpretations of Gauss' Law.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts understanding of the electric field inside a charged sphere being zero and outside it being kq/r², but questions the claim that the electric field at the surface equals half the field at a point infinitely close to the surface.
  • Another participant recalls that the assertion about the electric field at the surface being half is found in Purcell's book, suggesting it is a common reference.
  • A different participant challenges the idea of a discontinuity in the electric field at the surface, referencing Gauss' Law and stating that the field should not change when moving from just above the surface to the surface itself.
  • One participant expresses confusion about whether the sphere is a conductor and discusses the implications of charge distribution on the electric field, mentioning that Purcell's explanation involves considering atomic forces.
  • A later reply proposes a reasoning based on Gauss' Law, suggesting that when considering a Gaussian surface just outside the charged sphere, half the charge is inside and half is outside, leading to the conclusion that the electric field at the surface is indeed half that at extreme proximity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of the electric field at the surface of a charged sphere, with no consensus reached on the validity of the claim that the electric field at the surface is half that at a point infinitely close to it.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various assumptions about charge distribution and the nature of the sphere (whether it is a conductor or not), which may affect the interpretation of the electric field behavior. The discussion also touches on the limitations of applying Gauss' Law in certain contexts.

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I can understand why the electric field inside a charged sphere is zero when there's electrostatic equilibrium.

I can understand why the electric field outside a charged sphere equals kq/r².

But I remember reading somewhere that the electric field AT the surface of a charged sphere equals the electric field at a point infinitely close to the surface of the sphere divided by 2, i.e. half the field at extreme proximity.

I can't understand why that is, even though I thought a lot about it. Do you think this statement is true, and if so, can you prove it?
 
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I've read it about 3 days ago, yes it's true if I remember well.
I think any EM book has the proof. It's 1 page long or a bit more if I remember well...
I know the proof is in Purcell's book of electricity and magnetism.
 
Unless I am misinterpreting your question, I am not aware of such a phenomenon with a charged surface. We can simply think of the relationship of Gauss' Law with a spherically symmetric charge distribution. When we take the integral to find the enclosed charge, the enclosed charge is inclusive of the Gaussian surface that is the boundary of the volume. So the right hand side of Gauss' Law will not change if we take a Gaussian surface that is on a surface of charge or if it is just above the surface. This means that the field that we find using this technique is not discontinuous on the surface like you seem to be suggesting, but then again this is probably not a correct way to think of it since if we were to go with Coulomb's law we would still encounter a singularity with any charge located at our observation point. Things can change when we have an inhomogeneous medium though. A permittivity contrast would cause discontinuous electric fields across a surface. However, I do not think that the electric field on the surface, the normal component at least, is considered to be defined due to this discontinuity.

In the end, thinking of the field from a spherical shell of charge is reminiscent of problems with residue theory in complex variables or say a principle value integration. Still I can't recall anything off hand that applies to this nor do I find anything in the standard undergraduate literature.
 
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The example I was talking about is in page 30 of Purcell's book (but in Spanish, in English I guess it shouldn't be far from page 30). I don't think the sphere is conductor though... I'm confused.
I think the OP has confused the force acting on each charge over the sphere which is [tex]F=\frac{(E_{\text{internal}}+E_{\text{external}})}{2}\sigma[/tex]. In order to reach this result, Purcell had to assume a width of the surface of the sphere. He says that within it, the electric field can vary linearly, cubicly, etc. depending on the distribution of the charges within this small width, but the same result holds.
I don't know if something changes if we assume the sphere to be conductor. What I find strange is that the charges don't move but a net force is acting on them... I think Purcell explain this with some atomic force and so the net force on each particle is 0.
 
Thank you very much for your replies.

In fact, I have found in some high school books the assertion that the electric field at points at the surface equals the electric field at a point infinitely close to the surface divided by 2. I, too, have found this very unsettling, but I believe I may have thought of something which corroborates to that assertion:

When a spherical gaussian surface is very close to the surface of the charged sphere, but not AT the surface of the sphere, the electric field is, according to Gauss' Law:

Q/(epsilon 0 times area of the surface)

where Q is the charge of the sphere. But when the gaussian surface is AT the surface of the sphere, half the charge is inside the surface, and half the charge is outside. (Think of a line of atoms with orbiting electrons. The surface is leveled with the nuclei, so statistically speaking, half the electrons are above it, and half are below it.) Therefore, according to Gauss' Law, the electric field is:

Q/2(epsilon 0 times area of the surface)

Which is exactly half the electric field at extreme proximity. Does this seem sensible to you?
 

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