Electric Potential and Kinematics

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving electric potential and kinematics related to a charged insulated sphere. The original poster is tasked with calculating the initial potential energy of an electron placed at the surface of the sphere and its velocity when it reaches the center, using conservation of energy principles.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the potential energy of the electron and expresses uncertainty about determining the final potential energy. They reference the electric field and potential calculations, indicating a need for integration.
  • Some participants suggest using Gauss's law to find the electric field inside the sphere and integrating it to determine the potential at the center.
  • Questions arise regarding the implications of division by zero in the potential calculation at the center, leading to confusion about the potential energy there.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering guidance on using Gauss's law and integration techniques. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in calculating the potential and electric field, with multiple interpretations being explored. The discussion remains open without explicit consensus on the final approach.

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Participants note the challenge of integrating the electric field and the potential implications of assumptions made regarding the electric field's behavior at different points within the sphere.

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Hi, I'm currently doing a practice problem and I need help in solving it.

Ok first the problem:

An insulated sphere of radius R is charged unformly with the total charge +Q. Since the electric field is outwards, an electron of charge -e (insulated, so that it won't disappear while traveling iside the charged sphere) placed at the surface will be pull toward the center of the sphere.
  • What is the initial potential energy of the electron (relative to a point at infinity in terms of Q and R)?
  • Calculate the velocity of the electron (also in terms of Q and R) when it reaches the center of the sphere. Note that the electric field and hence the acceleration is not constant. Use the concept of conservation of kinetic and potential energies. Some simple integration is necessary to compute the potential at the center of the sphere.

a)Ok, the potential energy of the electron is:

[tex]U = -eV_R[/tex]

To find V of R we need to refer to electric field:

[tex]V_f - V_i = -\int_{i}^{f} \vec{E} \cdot d\vec{R}[/tex]
[tex]V(R) - V(\infty) = -\frac{Q}{4\pi\varepsilon_\varnothing} \int_{R}^{\infty} \frac{dR}{R}[/tex]
...
[tex]V_R = \frac{1}{4\pi\varepsilon_\varnothing}\frac{Q}{R}[/tex]

Therefore,

[tex]U = -eV_R[/tex]
[tex]U = \frac{1}{4\pi\varepsilon_\varnothing}\frac{-eQ}{R}[/tex]

B)This is the one I'm having trouble with. I don't know what the final potential energy is or out to get it.

Here's what I have so far:

[tex]U_\varnothing = K_f + U_f[/tex]
[tex]\frac{1}{4\pi\varepsilon_\varnothing}\frac{-eQ}{R} = \frac{1}{2}mv^2 + U_f[/tex]

So what do I do for U of f?
 
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You'll first have to find the electric field inside the sphere using Gauss's law. Then integrate that from 0 to R to get the potential at the center, designating the potential at the surface zero.
 
That means:

[tex]\int \vec{E} \cdot d\vec{S} = \frac{Q_{enclosed}}{\varepsilon_\varnothing}[/tex]
[tex]\int E \cdot dS cos(0) = \frac{Q_{enclosed}}{\varepsilon_\varnothing}[/tex]
[tex]E \cdot 4 \pi R^2 = \frac{Q_{enclosed}}{\varepsilon_\varnothing}[/tex]

Charge is intact, so...
[tex]\int E = \frac{1}{4\pi\varepsilon_\varnothing} \frac{|Q|}{R^2}[/tex]

Which is the same for pointlike charges...

Now:

[tex]V_f - V_i = -\int_{i}^{f} \vec{E} \cdot d\vec{R}[/tex]
[tex]V(R) - V(0) = -\int_{0}^{R} \vec{E} \cdot d\vec{R}[/tex]
[tex]V(R) - V(0) = -\frac{Q}{4\pi\varepsilon_\varnothing} \int_{0}^{R} \frac{dR}{R}[/tex]eh there's a division by zero. Does this mean that there's no potential energy in the center? That's what I assumed at the begining, but now I'm lost. :confused:
 
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I think you've forgotten Gauss' Law: :wink:
[tex]\int \vec{E} \cdot d\vec{A} = \frac{q_{enc}}{\epsilon_0}[/tex]
 
No I haven't. it's in my previous post. Am I complicating things?
 
You're trying to find the electric field at any distance [tex]r[/tex] from the center of the sphere. So:
[tex]E \cdot 4 \pi r^2 = \frac{\rho V}{\epsilon_0}[/tex]
where
[tex]\rho = \frac{Q}{\frac{4}{3} \pi R^3}[/tex]
and
[tex]V = \frac{4}{3} \pi r^3[/tex]
(Notice r is not the same as R).
 
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