Electric Potential Energy and Sign

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of electric potential energy and the work done by electric fields, specifically in the context of a negative point charge interacting with charged plates. Participants are examining the implications of charge movement in relation to electric fields and potential energy changes.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between work done by electric fields and changes in potential energy, questioning why a negative charge moving towards a positive plate results in negative work and a decrease in electrostatic potential energy. There are conflicting views on whether the charge gains or loses potential energy, with references to gravitational potential energy for comparison.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with various interpretations being explored regarding the work-energy principle and the behavior of charges in electric fields. Some participants provide references to textbooks to support their claims, while others express confusion and seek clarification on the principles involved.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of differing interpretations of the electric field's direction and its effects on potential energy, suggesting a need for clearer definitions and assumptions regarding the setup of the problem.

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There is a negative point charge with a positively charged plate above it and a negatively charged plate below it. Define up as positive and down as negative. When the point charge moves towards the positively charged plate it does negative work. Why? The force the charge experiences is upward in the positive direction and it moves in the same direction as the force.
 
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It loses potential energy. That can be used to pull up something that is pulling downwards.

Just like a mass does when it goes from a high position to a lower position.
 
? It gains potential energy.
 
always_tired said:
? It gains potential energy.
It gains gravitational PE but loses (more) electrostatic PE.
 
No, it gains electrostatic potential energy. deltaU = -W; work is negative in this case; potential energy increases. From "University Physics" by Young and Freedman:

"Negative charge moves in the direction of the electric field, field does negative work, potential energy increases" (pg 756)

I'm wondering why this is true.
 
always_tired said:
"Negative charge moves in the direction of the electric field, field does negative work, potential energy increases" (pg 756)
I can only suppose that should say "If the negative charge ..."
In the OP, the direction of the field is down and the charge is moving up, so against the field. Correspondingly, the field is doing positive work and the electrostatic PE decreases.
 
"Negative charge moves in the direction of the electric field, field does negative work, potential energy increases" (pg 756)

I'm wondering why this is true.

Perhaps ##\Delta {\rm potential\ energy} = q\Delta V## ?

In your description the negative charge moves against the direction of the electric field !And what helped me was to draw a few graphs for a fixed single positive point charge case: 1/r2 for E, 1/r for V. And move a positive test charge from A to B >A. Then idem negative test charge.

I liked this presentation.
 

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