Electrochemical reduction of Hydrogen forms hydride?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the electrochemical reduction of hydrogen (H2) and its potential to form hydrogen anions (H-), exploring the feasibility of this reaction and its implications for organic compound reduction. Participants examine theoretical aspects, solvent considerations, and the role of catalysts in the process.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the electrochemical reduction of H2 can produce hydrogen anions (H-) through the reaction H2 + 2e- -> 2H-.
  • Others express uncertainty about the electrochemical aspect, particularly regarding solvent selection for the reaction.
  • One participant suggests that hydride anions formed from H2 reduction could theoretically reduce organic compounds similarly to metal hydrides, without producing metal byproducts.
  • Another participant counters that the solvent may reduce before hydrogen can be reduced, raising concerns about the feasibility of the reaction.
  • Some participants reference the electrical requirements for reducing H-H compared to other common electrochemical reductions, questioning the necessity of a catalyst for the reaction to occur.
  • There is mention of the need for the hydride to be soluble in a polar solvent for it to react effectively in solution, noting that many polar solvents are not electrochemically inert.
  • One participant cites a study claiming that hydrogen oxidation occurs only when hydrogen adheres to the cathode surface, emphasizing the importance of electrode interactions in electrochemical reactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of the electrochemical reduction of H2 to form H- and the implications for organic reduction. There is no consensus on the solvent issues or the necessity of a catalyst, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to solvent reactivity and the conditions under which hydrogen reduction may occur, as well as the dependence on specific electrochemical setups and the nature of the reactions involved.

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Would the electrochemical reduction of H2 form Hydrogen Anions of H-

H2 + 2e- -> 2H-


If this is the case, is the following true?

H- + (1/2)H2 -> H2
 
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Zensation said:
Would the electrochemical reduction of H2 form Hydrogen Anions of H-

H2 + 2e- -> 2H-

Not sure about the "electrochemical" part (I feel like you will have problems finding a solvent), but in general to get hydrides (especially ionic ones) you need to reduce hydrogen, so the reaction looks correct.

If this is the case, is the following true?

H- + (1/2)H2 -> H2

If it is intended as a full reaction, you won't be able to balance it. If it is intended as a half reaction, it is not different from the previous one.
 
Thank you. Electrochemistry is an underexplored field in my opinion with a lot of potential. Can I ask why you said there will be a problem finding a solvent? I was thinking both a H2O solution or an alcohol solution could would as long as the electrolyte is largely dissolvable and nonreactive. Based on your expertise, would you say that these Hydride anions formed via the reduction of H2 would have a similar effect on reducing organic compounds as various metal hydrides? Theoretically they should react just the same. In metal hydrides the hydride ion breaks off and reacts with the organic molecule to reduce and hydrogenate it, leaving the metal part floating in the solution, so ideally a lone hydride ion should react with the organic molecule in the same fashion, yet, with no metal byproducts.
 
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You will reduce the solvent before you will be able to reduce the hydrogen.
 
Is this so?

I remember reading that the electrical requirement to reduce H-H is not much higher than the electrical requirement to reduce a number of compounds that are very commonly reduced electrochemically, such as the bond between N-O2 bonds.

I did come across this study, in the abstract, the claim the oxidation of hydrogen only occurs when hydrogen adheres to the surface of the cathode. http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-84800-936-3_3#page-1 . Though, they are speaking in terms of using a catalyst. Perhaps a catalyst would be required for the reaction to occur.
 
Zensation said:
Is this so?

I remember reading that the electrical requirement to reduce H-H is not much higher than the electrical requirement to reduce a number of compounds that are very commonly reduced electrochemically, such as the bond between N-O2 bonds.

So far you listed ethanol and water. As a rule of thumb - if something eagerly reacts with the hydride, it will react on the electrode before hydrogen gets reduced. That's redox potentials, GenChem101.

In some cases that's not exactly true, as sometimes reactions require huge overpotentials due to being kinetically hampered.

But, assuming your hydride gets produced on the electrode, to be able to react in the bulk of the solution it needs to be soluble. That means polar solvent, and these are rarely electrochemically inert.

I did come across this study, in the abstract, the claim the oxidation of hydrogen only occurs when hydrogen adheres to the surface of the cathode.

Hardly surprising, that's what happens in all electrochemical experiments - reaction takes place only on the electrode surface. Further reactions can take place in the bulk, but the only place the original reaction can go is the electrode, electrons don't freely float in the solution (with some remarkable exceptions).
 

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