Electromagnetic Induction Question

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The discussion centers on the mechanisms behind electromagnetic induction, specifically how magnetic fields influence electron flow in a generator coil. Participants explore the relationship between magnetic fields, induced voltage, and the behavior of electrons in conductors, with a focus on theoretical and conceptual aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a voltage is induced in the coil when it cuts through magnetic flux lines, which in turn pushes electrons around the coil.
  • Others question how electrons are deflected in the correct direction when the wire is oriented at a right angle to the magnetic field.
  • A participant suggests that free electrons in a conductor gather on one side when moving through an electromagnetic field, allowing for continuous electron flow as long as the wire is in motion.
  • There is mention of the Lorentz force, which describes the force on a charged particle in electromagnetic fields, indicating that the force is perpendicular to the magnetic field lines.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the fundamental reasons behind the interaction of electric and magnetic fields, suggesting a need for further exploration of electromagnetism and relativity.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the underlying mechanisms of electron behavior in magnetic fields, with multiple competing views and questions remaining unresolved.

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Participants highlight the complexity of the interaction between electric and magnetic fields, noting that the discussion involves various assumptions and theoretical frameworks that are not fully resolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring concepts in electromagnetism, physics students seeking clarification on electromagnetic induction, and individuals curious about the theoretical underpinnings of electric and magnetic field interactions.

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Can someone please tell me why the magnetic field makes the electrons flow round the coil in a generator? Does the force of the magnetic field have to go in the same direction as the coil?
 
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A voltage is induced in the coil, and it is this voltage which pushes electrons around the coil and through the external circuit. In order to induce a voltage in a conductor, the conductor must cut through or cross the magnetic flux lines.

So if you are wearing a gold watchband, running cross-country from north to south will not induce a voltage in your watchband because you are moving along a magnetic line of the Earth (these imaginary lines are drawn around the Earth from the North Pole to the South Pole). But if you run east-west you are cutting across the Earth's magnetic lines and causing a voltage to be induced in your watchband (providing you orientate it to best effect).

Even so, the voltage is too small for you to measure.
 
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Why does cutting the lines of the magnetic field cause electrons in the copper wire to be deflected in the right direction? When the wire goes through the magnet it is at a right angle to the magnetic field-

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See what I mean? So how do the electrons get pushed up vertically by a magnetic field that seems to be horizontal?
 
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I haven't got an answer yet, can someone please reply with an answer?
 
Eisen said:
I haven't got an answer yet, can someone please reply with an answer?
It is a good, but hard question. Try to google it, or maybe wikipedia got an answer. What I have learned, and it might not be correct, is that electromagnetism will affect the free electrons in a conductor when applying a force as when moving the conductor through the electromagnetic field. Free electrons in the conductor will gather on one side of the wire. When you load this wire the elerctrons can flow back to the other end with lack of electrons. But as long the wire is moving through the electromagnetic field the electron flow will continue.

I hope someone have a better answer.

Vidar
 
Eisen said:
Why does cutting the lines of the magnetic field cause electrons in the copper wire to be deflected in the right direction?
For that answer, you'll have to ask the Creator. :smile:

When the wire goes through the magnet it is at a right angle to the magnetic field-
That gives maximum induced voltage. At other angles, you still get induced voltage, but of lesser magnitude.

See what I mean? So how do the electrons get pushed up vertically by a magnetic field that seems to be horizontal?
Direction of movement, direction of magnetic lines, and the induced current are all vector quantities and are all perpendicular to each other: an x-y-z 3-dimensional space.
 
Originally Posted by Eisen
Why does cutting the lines of the magnetic field cause electrons in the copper wire to be deflected in the right direction?
Originally Posted by NascentOxygen
For that answer, you'll have to ask the Creator.

Ask the creator, you mean God? Come on, surely one of the mere mortals on here has the answer? :biggrin: But seriously though, isn't there a theory to explain this?
 
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You seem to be asking about the origin of the interaction of electric and magnetic fields. It turns out that they are one and the same, depending on your relativistic frame of reference. I would look into electromagnetism and relativity. Try here: http://physics.weber.edu/schroeder/mrr/MRRtalk.html
 
Are you looking for something like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force

The lorentz force describes the force on a charged particle by electromagnetic fields. A charged particle feels a force in a direction that is perpendicular to a magnetic field line. I would hit up the above article and browse around to learn more if you are interested.
 
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Thanks for your replies, I am continuing to investigate electromagnetic induction.
 

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